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Beginners => Family History Beginners Board => Topic started by: jjjjjim on Thursday 01 May 14 21:17 BST (UK)
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I have located what may be my great-great aunt in Ireland Births Civil Registration 1864 to Present.
From this index I have the following information:
DOB: February 27,1865
Location: Abbeyleix, Ireland
Parents: Patrick Fahey and Anne Grant
GS Film # 101042
Volume: 3
Page: 418
DF# 004187282
Image #00129
Through the Wiki on Family Search I requested a copy of the actual birth registration. I was advised that the information I had was not sufficient and only related to an index.
My question is how do I get from the Index to an Image?
Thx,
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In most cases in most countries you would need to order a copy of that image from the Birth Marriage and Death registers applicable to that area. There is normally a cost involved to retrieve the records and mail out.
This will take you to the Irish board if you need help in establishing the right method to order.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?board=50.0
Neil
Thats a bad stutter you have there JIM ;D
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Here is a very looong thread where rootchatters discovered the wonderful free image service from familysearch www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=675688.0 There are quite a few tips there.
I followed their advice and received a lovely image of a marriage certificate from Victoria, Australia (instead of paying the money to download it from the Victorian BDM). It took 2 weeks to arrive though.
regards,
Ros
(but I see at the end of the thread that the service became very popular and the wait is now 6 or more weeks)
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Interesting FREE service Ros. Never heard of it before, should be on the resources page? They have a new email service contact at.
support(at)familysearch.org
Good luck with ireland
Neil
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This is the thread you need to look at http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=599538.0
You can get the cert by email now but you need to order it in writing but this can't be done by email ( sigh) but can be done by fax, people don't like to put credit card details in a fax so we phone them in as we send the fax. Of course you can also order by post.
Link to GRO Roscommon included in that thread.
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I thank each of you for taking the time to respond to my issue. Is there a "help" site or "FAQ" that explains the various film and image codes. I feel as if I may have the needed information but am not presenting it in a manner that yields results.
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The film and image codes are FamilySearch's, I assume you would need them if you were ordering from FamilySearch but you don't need them to order the Cert from the GRO.
This is explained in the link I posted.
Each country has index books which can be searched to find BDMs this information is than used to order the cert.
FamilySearch has the index they do not have the Certs, so you now have all the information they have and can order the Cert.
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But you have to pay for the certs from GRO whereas you can get the certs free from FamilySearch,
Sinann :).
I found it difficult to complete the form jjjjjim as the requested field names were different from the given field names. I achieved it by trial and error (it tells you if it is an invalid number). Like an idiot I didn't make note of my successful result. But I will try to recreate it ...
cheers,
Ros
adding : Or you could visit your local FamilySearch centre and request an image of the cert as in the old days - they charge you postage I think.
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But FamilySearch don't have Certs.
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Perhaps they don't call them certs but they have images of parish records - which has the same info as the certs that you buy. :)
cheers,
Ros
adding : reading through the long thread again :o I gather that the marriage info is the same, but family search has baptism and burial records rather than birth and death records which may not contain the same info.
And also that there is live chat help on family search to help complete the form properly.
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Hi
I think you need someone with Irish knowledge to help but my understanding is that what jjjjjim is looking at on Familysearch is the Civil Registration index which is the Irish equivalent of the GRO Index in England & Wales, and the various Australian States Birth Marriages and Deaths indexes, generally you need to contact the relevant government department to obtain a birth certificate. Familysearch can only supply copies of documents they have filmed which generally are from Church records held at various archives.
Andy
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Through the Wiki on Family Search I requested a copy of the actual birth registration. I was advised that the information I had was not sufficient and only related to an index.
The answer is in the original post.
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Irish birth certificates can't be obtained from Family Search they are not parish records. Family Search website does have index records but they don't have the actual birth records. In the UK and Republic of Ireland births are registered at the local register office and the records are held by local and national offices. They are not available to be viewed or copied by individuals or organisations. Copies of these records however can be bought from the local or national register offices.
Blue
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Yes unfortunately it appears that Irish parish records contain less information - it has examples of both parish baptismal and civil birth records here
https://www.rootsireland.ie/index.php?id=samplerecords#baptism
And there is less recorded on Irish parish marriage records and parish burial records than on civil records.
What a shame ...
Apologies Sinnan :)
cheers,
Ros
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Don't use RootsIreland if there is a Civil Birth Cert available from the GRO.
RootsIreland only has transcribed ( often incorrectly) records and no original images.
It's a useful site but HANDLE WITH CARE.
The mix up occurred Ros between Baptisim and Civil Cert.
I should have explained better that the index for Civil Certs for Ireland is on FamilySearch while in the UK you go to FreeBDM for the index. That can cause confusion.
One can get over familiar with resources you use regularly. :o
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Now after all that
There is a baptism for Margaret which could be ordered from FamilySearch
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FRW1-W86
And this is Margaret in the Index for the Civil Cert
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FYPF-H47
Which explains why the information in the original post looked odd, it's a mix of the two results.
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The births and baptisms record looks like it has come from an index. Family Search say this about the collection:-
"This index is an electronic index for the years 1620 to 1881.
It is not necessarily intended to index any specific set of records. This index is not complete for any particular place or region. This collection may include information previously published in the International Genealogical Index or Vital Records Index collections."
Another reason for thinking the record may not be available is the number 418 on the Family Search births and baptisms record just before the birthplace. This number appears as the page number on the civil record. No harm giving it a go. Try ordering using the details below:-
FHL Film Number: 101102
Margaret Fahey
Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881, Father: Patrick, Mother: Anne
Christening
27 Feb 1865
Abbeyleix, Queens, Ireland
Blue