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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: Ringrose on Wednesday 16 July 14 11:23 BST (UK)
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Just seen that Staffordshire records are on FindMyPast.
Ringrose
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Thanks for the tip. That got me straight to a baptism I have been hunting for 5 years :)
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:)
I've just found the burial details of my 3x great grandmother in Willenhall in 1845. I've been looking for her for quite a few years* - no death cert ever found.
Gadget
* a cousin in New Jersey had spent a good deal of time looking through the films for Willenhall and didn't find her either - sadly, he died 7 years ago :'(
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2.8 million I gather. Someone sent me a list of what's been put on. I must admit tempted. I was told they've been done from the microfische as opposed to registers. I've already got ancestry subscription and as I can go and look up the st Editha ones anyway next time I go to the record office I may not bother. What I did hear was that certain parish churches were not being put on, I think though that is the ones that are n't kept at the record office and no non conformist.
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What is the coverage for the Stoke-on-Trent area,Burslem etc like?
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William Russell Jones.
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I put in Stoke as a keyword in Staffordshire baptisms - no names entered and got 1961 results.
ditto with marriages - 14357 results.
ditto with burials - 1309 results.
Not tried the individual towns.
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Burslem St. John baptisms 1640-1901 Burslem St. Paul bapt I think to 1901. There are some banns as well.
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I was told they've been done from the microfische as opposed to registers.
The few I have viewed are 'copies' of registers.
From Staffordshire C C web page
http://www.rootschat.com/links/018mo/
Rosie
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Interesting because that what I thought was supposed to be happening. The bit on the find my past site says black and white digital copies from microfilm and some colour ones will be coming later.
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What is the coverage for the Stoke-on-Trent area,Burslem etc like?
Regards
William Russell Jones.
Full list of parishes B/B/B/Ms - scroll down for all types :)
http://www.findmypast.co.uk/articles/staffordshire-parish-records-coverage?_ga=1.134949105.1829862357.1387641933
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Thanks for the list of parishes, I was trying to find that myself earlier but they don't make it all that easy.
I have managed to find some relatives despite that fact that Find My Past's search facility wouldn't return anything for them. So my advise would be to look through the registers yourself if you know where and when a relative should be.
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What's the quality of the images like generally?
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What's the quality of the images like generally?
I've looked at some of the Burslem ones and they are pretty good, some are a bit dark but more than legible.
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What's the quality of the images like generally?
I have just done a random sample and they they were good.
There were a couple of pale ones but they were early registers so probably pale original, they were still readable. Generally they are no different to what you would get if you were viewing them on film somewhere.
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There is still no sign of my Greatx3-Grandfather Daniel Durber given in 1841 as born in c 1780.
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William Russell Jones.
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Wrjones, have you seen the 1788 Daniel Doorbar on familysearch? May be a bit lit for your Daniel Durber, but could be worth a look.
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Thanks Rosie and deirdre, i did wonder as sometimes when freereg have photographed microfilm and microfische some come out a bit blurred round the edges. Then again the ones who used the microfilm for these may have better quality equipment to work with. I can see by some of the microfische some registers are in dreadful state..
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Wrjones, have you seen the 1788 Daniel Doorbar on familysearch? May be a bit lit for your Daniel Durber, but could be worth a look.
Whilst it may be a little late,that it is given as Doorbar does not rule it out.The same Daniel Durber was to marry a Mary "Unknown" before 1815 in the Burslem area,a marriage I have yet to find.
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William Russell Jones.
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You can find that marriage on findmypast in Shropshire in 1803. Her name was Mary Talbot.
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You can find that marriage on findmypast in Shropshire in 1803. Her name was Mary Talbot.
Thanks,whilst it may be a possible,I have but two children from the marriage,Daniel(1815-1821) and Thomas(1818-1868).Thomas being my Greatx2-Grandfather.
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William Russell Jones.
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Its also worth pointing out that Daniel married for a second time,03/03/1821 to an Ann Pepper.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Daniel was baptised at Newchapel St James in 1815, there are two other children to Daniel and Mary baptised at Newchapel in 1807 (Anne) and 1811 (Jane). The first child would appear to be Sarah baptised 1804 at Audley St James the Great. The burial of Daniel Burber at Burslem in 1846 does suggest a birth date around 1779/80.
As Craclyn has said, the registers are viewable on FindMyPast but that does look like the correct marriage.
Edit - Daniel's profession on the 1815 baptism for Daniel and Thomas' baptism in 1818 (indexed as Derber on FindMyPast) are both as joiner. Tends to suggest it's the same family that Craclyn has found the marriage for.
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Daniel was baptised at Newchapel St James in 1815, there are two other children to Daniel and Mary baptised at Newchapel in 1807 (Anne) and 1811 (Jane). The first child would appear to be Sarah baptised 1804 at Audley St James the Great. The burial of Daniel Burber at Burslem in 1846 does suggest a birth date around 1779/80.
As Craclyn has said, the registers are viewable on FindMyPast but that does look like the correct marriage.
Edit - Daniel's profession on the 1815 baptism for Daniel and Thomas' baptism in 1818 (indexed as Derber on FindMyPast) are both as joiner. Tends to suggest it's the same family that Craclyn has found the marriage for.
Many thanks,just to underline the possible earlier baptisms of children of Daniel and Mary,does the Daniel show as a Carpenter/Joiner on those?
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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The Jane Durber(1811) is of interest.A Jane Durber married a Thomas Green at Keele 01/04/1837 as you can see somewhat unfortunately before the officially recorded marriages.Now another relative thinks this was the daughter of Ann Pepper before her marriage to Daniel Durber.The said Ann is living with Thomas and Jane Green at Burslem in 1851-HO107/2003/29/3.
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William Russell Jones.
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Many thanks,just to underline the possible earlier baptisms of children of Daniel and Mary,does the Daniel show as a Carpenter/Joiner on those?
Regards
William Russell Jones.
No only the baptisms in 1815 and 1818 list the father's profession as joiner. Not unusual though for pre-1813 baptisms, some do, many don't.
Those are the only baptisms that appear with parents Daniel and Mary. It would seem likely they were the same family, although I don't think the records are entirely complete. The fact that Ann Durber nee Pepper is with Jane Green nee Durber does also suggest it's the same family. Jane's age is out on the census but she was obviously older than her husband, so not unusual for this to happen. Two of my ancestors lost many years off their ages over various census. ;D ;D
Do you know if Daniel signed his 1821 marriage? Unfortunately it's not currently online so can't compare the signatures, assuming he did. Often a good way of seeing if it's the same person, if there are a number of similarities. If you have a copy, it would be well worth your while signing up to FindMyPast for a month and having a look. ;D To be honest, it probably would be anyway, as you may spot something else that helps you confirm if that 1803 marriage is correct.
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I think its well worth pointing out that the available Trees on Ancestry with Thomas Green and wife Jane contain old info i used to carry on my Tree in that I thought Jane was a full sister of Thomas(1818).I'll try and look and compare notes with my relatives Tree on Genes later.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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I think its well worth pointing out that the available Trees on Ancestry with Thomas Green and wife Jane contain old info i used to carry on my Tree in that I thought Jane was a full sister of Thomas(1818).I'll try and look and compare notes with my relatives Tree on Genes later.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
I think it's highly likely she was a full sister of your Thomas and not his step-mother's child born before the marriage. Wolstanton appears to separate all three of the parishes where there are baptisms to a Daniel and Mary. They appear to be the only Daniel and Mary Durber in the area, so its quite likely they are the same couple and the 1803 marriage lists Daniel as being of Wolstanton even though it took place in Shropshire. I can see no Jane Pepper baptism to an Ann around the right time. Its highly likely she had her stepmother living with her.
As mentioned previously, and considering the month sub isn't that expensive, it would be well worth your while looking at the original registers. It would give you the opportunity to look at the families of that name in that area.
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I think its well worth pointing out that the available Trees on Ancestry with Thomas Green and wife Jane contain old info i used to carry on my Tree in that I thought Jane was a full sister of Thomas(1818).I'll try and look and compare notes with my relatives Tree on Genes later.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
I think it's highly likely she was a full sister of your Thomas and not his step-mother's child born before the marriage. Wolstanton appears to separate all three of the parishes where there are baptisms to a Daniel and Mary. They appear to be the only Daniel and Mary Durber in the area, so its quite likely they are the same couple and the 1803 marriage lists Daniel as being of Wolstanton even though it took place in Shropshire. I can see no Jane Pepper baptism to an Ann around the right time. Its highly likely she had her stepmother living with her.
As mentioned previously, and considering the month sub isn't that expensive, it would be well worth your while looking at the original registers. It would give you the opportunity to look at the families of that name in that area.
I don't know whether it is good or bad new.lolI had all the Green family in my Tree and deleted them all thinking that Jane may have been Ann's daughter!
Lets just say I have a cousin from another family line who is very generous with regards to FindMyPast!
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William Russell Jones.
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Well,well,well,I've been very naive!I seen you saying that Daniel Durber married Mary Talbot in Shropshire in 1803.It has suddenly dawned on me,in fact I've written it many times for relatives in my Tree,that the reason you think it was in Shropshire is the fact that the marriage probably took place at Wellington St Luke!Wellington St Luke is a Parish within Hanley Stoke-on Trent!
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William Russell Jones.
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Well hunches don't always pay off.lolI'm told the marriage took place at Lillieshall.
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William Russell Jones.
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It did take place at Lilleshall, but if the person who told you viewed the marriage, they would know that it says Daniel was of "Woolstanton in the County of Stafford", and as far as I'm aware there is only one Wolstanton/Woolstanton in Staffordshire, but I stand corrected, and it borders the three parishes where there are children baptised to Daniel and Mary Durber. ;D
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It did take place at Lilleshall, but if the person who told you viewed the marriage, they would know that it says Daniel was of "Woolstanton in the County of Stafford", and as far as I'm aware there is only one Wolstanton/Woolstanton in Staffordshire, but I stand correct, and it borders the three parishes where there are children baptised to Daniel and Mary Durber. ;D
Thanks,yes Wolstanton does indeed border the three Parishes.Looking at the Mary Talbotin view of the children's names,I'm looking very closely at the Baptism in Lillieshall of a Mary talbot to Parents Thomas and Sarah Talbot 27/02/1780.
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William Russell Jones.
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No time like the present!I may have struck lucky on Genes Re-united with regards the Talbot family of Lilleshall!
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William Russell Jones.
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Can someone please help me re Oulton PRs on Find My Past?
My Stubbs ancestors lived in Oulton, Staffs from late-ish 1800s.
I know, as far as the Registration District goes, its in Stone RD. But what about as a parish?
I've looked at Genuki but it only gets a mention as part of Stone, and my Phillimore atlas doesn't acknowledge it as a parish in its own right. Yet FindMyPast has (very limited) PRs for Oulton baptisms 1871-1901, marriages 1880-1900 and no burials at all. ???
I am not sure if earlier and later Oulton PRs exist and have just not been added to FindMyPast yet or should I be looking under Stone parish? Can anyone throw any light on this please?
Jill
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On looking at stafforshire archives web site on the sources for family history there are more holdings for oulton St. John. The description is that it was formed from part of stone, Christ church. There resources are baptisms 1878-1931 marriages 1880-1993. Burials 1875-1956
Those are the Anglican holdings, there is no listing in the non conformist sources.193
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Thanks, weste, that's very helpful.
It looks like I shall have to wait and see if anything more appears on FindMyPast and, for entries prior to about 1875-80 I'll have to search Stone PRs.
At least now I know what I'm looking for - which helps! ;)
Jill
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Wrjones, have you seen the 1788 Daniel Doorbar on familysearch? May be a bit lit for your Daniel Durber, but could be worth a look.
Hi, think I might just have had a Eureka moment!
Don't know what drew me to this thread really except that I do have a Staffordshire line but reading this quote in particular put me in mind of my brickwall in Gloucestershire - namely a Sarah Doerbar born c. 1812 Tewkesbury.
Have struggled to come up with other variations of Doerbar but then saw Doorbar in the response above and that led me to a familysearch query for female baptisms for surnames beginning with D in 1812 in Tewkesbury and came up with Sarah Deberux bapt 8/1/1812 Tewkesbury. The more I say this the more it seems like it could be converted to Doerbar by the time of her marriage in 1832 in Burslem, Staffs.
Don't know why I haven't thought this before - its so simple. Am away down this route now to see if I can find anything more concrete to cement this extrapolation!
Thanks, Pheno
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Good luck Pheno. Hope it turns out that your eureka moment pays off :)
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Wrjones, have you seen the 1788 Daniel Doorbar on familysearch? May be a bit lit for your Daniel Durber, but could be worth a look.
Hi, think I might just have had a Eureka moment!
Don't know what drew me to this thread really except that I do have a Staffordshire line but reading this quote in particular put me in mind of my brickwall in Gloucestershire - namely a Sarah Doerbar born c. 1812 Tewkesbury.
Have struggled to come up with other variations of Doerbar but then saw Doorbar in the response above and that led me to a familysearch query for female baptisms for surnames beginning with D in 1812 in Tewkesbury and came up with Sarah Deberux bapt 8/1/1812 Tewkesbury. The more I say this the more it seems like it could be converted to Doerbar by the time of her marriage in 1832 in Burslem, Staffs.
Don't know why I haven't thought this before - its so simple. Am away down this route now to see if I can find anything more concrete to cement this extrapolation!
Thanks, Pheno
Well Pheno,though the Durber(sic) families origins do appear to be in Staffordshire,there was a Philip Durber who lived both in Gloucestershire and Staffordshire.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Hi William, I've changed my mind and now think, having actually seen the 1832 marriage record on FindMyPast that she is a Doorbar and not Doerbar or Deberux. Also think the Tewkesbury birthplace is an anomaly as there is a Doorbar family living in Biddulph Staffs with all the right people including both a Margaret & a Sarah Doorbar of the right age. Now that I've actually seen the 1832 entry I know that one of the witnesses was a Margaret Doorbar. Everybody else in this family seems to have been born Biddulph and it is only Sarah who consistently on every census records her birthplace as Tewkesbury. I think maybe her mother was there when she was born but it was not the place she was brought up - so am now following this line which is providing plenty of leads.
However still major thanks to the availability of the Staffs records now on line and your Doorbar reference.
Pheno
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Be aware that some marriage records may be indexed to the Banns set and if you are entering a parent or spouse name it must match exactly what is on the record to get a hit. I find the best way to search is surname only with variation and then look at likely parishes or select the parish if you know it. Its more time consuming but I find folk I missed when I searched with more info.
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Well I'm researching my West Bromwich ancestors, and naively assumed that the new Find My Past records had good coverage of the town. Partly because my lot show up well from the 1830s onwards. But I now see they are missing All Saints parish, which seems to have been a really important one for covering West Bromwich births/marriages/deaths before about 1820. So I've just sent FindMyPast a query to ask if they plan to add it in future. I suspect my lot are recorded in that parish before then, and have already found a probable marriage there for one branch in 1805 from Ancestry indexes.
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According to the blurb on FindMyPast - in the 100 in 100 days section you will see that they have so far uploaded only about a third of the 6 million parish records. This was confirmed to me on my last visit to Lichfield Records Office.
Also to be uploaded in the future are Marriage Bonds and Allegations, plus wills.
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According to the blurb on FindMyPast - in the 100 in 100 days section you will see that they have so far uploaded only about a third of the 6 million parish records. This was confirmed to me on my last visit to Lichfield Records Office.
Also to be uploaded in the future are Marriage Bonds and Allegations, plus wills.
Thanks very much for that. In my eagerness I'd missed those numbers and exactly what they meant. So I can look forward to finding more records in future. I'm not a FindMyPast subscriber, just currently trying a free trial for a fortnight, but will subscribe for a month or so in the future after they add more records I need.
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Well I'm researching my West Bromwich ancestors, and naively assumed that the new Find My Past records had good coverage of the town.
Depending on whether this is still correct - http://www.rootschat.com/links/0193r/ - you may unfortunately be out of luck because it looks like West Bromwich All Saints original records are not held by Staffordshire Archives so are unlikely to be included. :-\
I see from the genuki page that Lichfield Archives have the Bishops Transcripts so it's possible they may get digitised.
On a plus note, glad to hear they are digitising Wills since may help with a couple of Warwickshire lines. ;D
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Well I'm researching my West Bromwich ancestors, and naively assumed that the new Find My Past records had good coverage of the town.
Depending on whether this is still correct - http://www.rootschat.com/links/0193r/ - you may unfortunately be out of luck because it looks like West Bromwich All Saints original records are not held by Staffordshire Archives so are unlikely to be included. :-\
I see from the genuki page that Lichfield Archives have the Bishops Transcripts so it's possible they may get digitised.
Aarrgghh! Thanks for that. Well I sent a query direct to Find My Past earlier today, citing the GENUKI page info (I'm a very long time GENUKI county developer for elsewhere) and will see what they say.
I must say as someone at a distance from Staffordshire I find all the myriad different archives and scattering of records quite baffling. It's so different from what we have in Scotland, where there's a central digitised collection of Church of Scotland parish registers for genealogists to access online, with online indexes, without caring where the originals are housed. Plus the complication of numerous county boundaries meeting together and even more record scattering.
But I am having fun tracing this branch of my family tree despite this :)
I've ordered a partial transcripts CD of West Bromwich All Saints parish registers from the local genealogy society. And also a similar CD for Coventry to try to trace a Mrs in West Bromwich who was from there already. So fingers crossed. There's also the option for me of ordering in films at my local LDS centre.
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According to my file - dated January 2012 - on parish registers held at Staffordshire Record Offices, they have:
WEST BROMWICH, All Saints
Probably ancient parish
Parish Registers at Stafford:
Bap 1608-1920
Mar 1608-1975
Bur 1608-1956
(MF only) = microfiche/film copy available only at Stafford
BTs at Lichfield:
Bap 1676-1868
Mar 1676-1837
Bur 1676-1868
Located elsewhere: Sandwell Archives
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According to my file - dated January 2012 - on parish registers held at Staffordshire Record Offices, they have:
WEST BROMWICH, All Saints
Probably ancient parish
Parish Registers at Stafford:
Bap 1608-1920
Mar 1608-1975
Bur 1608-1956
(MF only) = microfiche/film copy available only at Stafford
BTs at Lichfield:
Bap 1676-1868
Mar 1676-1837
Bur 1676-1868
Located elsewhere: Sandwell Archives
Thanks. What bit does the "Located elsewhere" refer to? The original parish registers? If so that seems consistent with the GENUKI info to a large extent. Do you think that might be likely to be a problem for digitising them as part of this project?
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There are 3 columns on the page
1 Parish registers at Stafford (MF) noted under the dates in this column
2 BTs at Lichfield
3 Located elsewhere
"This information is followed firstly by the dates for which the registers have been deposited at the Staffordshire Record Office, or for which microform copies only are available; secondly, the dates for which bishops’ transcripts are available at the Lichfield Record Office; and thirdly, if the registers have been deposited elsewhere or if they remain in the custody of the appropriate incumbent at the parish church itself. It can normally be assumed that the registers of parishes for those years after the most recent dates deposited remain in the custody of the incumbents, and any enquiries concerning these registers should be directed to them."
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Well I'm researching my West Bromwich ancestors, and naively assumed that the new Find My Past records had good coverage of the town.
Depending on whether this is still correct - http://www.rootschat.com/links/0193r/ - you may unfortunately be out of luck because it looks like West Bromwich All Saints original records are not held by Staffordshire Archives so are unlikely to be included. :-\
I see from the genuki page that Lichfield Archives have the Bishops Transcripts so it's possible they may get digitised.
Aarrgghh! Thanks for that. Well I sent a query direct to Find My Past earlier today, citing the GENUKI page info (I'm a very long time GENUKI county developer for elsewhere) and will see what they say.
I must say as someone at a distance from Staffordshire I find all the myriad different archives and scattering of records quite baffling. It's so different from what we have in Scotland, where there's a central digitised collection of Church of Scotland parish registers for genealogists to access online, with online indexes, without caring where the originals are housed. Plus the complication of numerous county boundaries meeting together and even more record scattering.
But I am having fun tracing this branch of my family tree despite this :)
I've ordered a partial transcripts CD of West Bromwich All Saints parish registers from the local genealogy society. And also a similar CD for Coventry to try to trace a Mrs in West Bromwich who was from there already. So fingers crossed. There's also the option for me of ordering in films at my local LDS centre.
Staffordshire BMD website is probably one of the best county BMDs website there is and is continually updated. It is free to search and get details but you have to pay if you want copies of BMD certificates. the Staffordshire Records offices at Stoke, Stafford, Lichfield are also extremely helpful in tracing ancestors. Also Staffordshire are one of the few counties to post parish records in the Card Catalogue on Ancestry.com.
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I suspect this is BumbleB's source (and just to make it a little clearer to follow). Hopefully I won't get in trouble for the moderator for posting this but its' from Staffordshire Archives Parish Registers & Bishops Transcripts dated January 2012 in respect of their holdings and tends to confirm the originals for West Brom All Saints are at Sandwell Archives so are unlikely to be included in the FindMyPast collection. Staffordshire Archives only have microfilm copies.
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Exactly! ;D
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Vivdunstan
West Bromwich registers are at smethwick archives based in smethwick library, if it's something specific you need I can do an occasional look up. I'm hoping to go in the near future. I know freereg are intending to cover them. There are quite a few west brom non conformist records there also.
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Vivdunstan
West Bromwich registers are at smethwick archives based in smethwick library, if it's something specific you need I can do an occasional look up. I'm hoping to go in the near future. I know freereg are intending to cover them. There are quite a few west brom non conformist records there also.
Thank you very much, I'll drop you a private message in the next few days. Just waiting for a 1839 marriage certificate of the parents of a mysterious "cousin" of my ggg-granny - tracing the cousin's line back to try to find a link / help with my lot. I have a lot of specific Moore events I'm seeking in the 1780s-1820s (I have a Mr Moore married to a Miss Moore, plus this "cousin" line), so I'll draw up a list and send you details. Any help at all would be appreciated, but don't put yourself out too much. Thank you.
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www.freereg.org.uk
Have you looked at the staffs county page and selected w for west brom and scrolled down to see the coverage for all saints which has been done and is in progress. There is no update this month to records due to trying out new servers but will be about 18 aug. You may be able to answer some of your own questions. The other church to consider is Christ church 1829 is when the register starts. Only an archway left now. There used to be a burial it was opposite me when I first moved to west brom.
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www.freereg.org.uk
Have you looked at the staffs county page and selected w for west brom and scrolled down to see the coverage for all saints which has been done and is in progress. There is no update this month to records due to trying out new servers but will be about 18 aug. You may be able to answer some of your own questions. The other church to consider is Christ church 1829 is when the register starts. Only an archway left now. There used to be a burial it was opposite me when I first moved to west brom.
Thanks. My ancestors definitely show up in Christ Church, as I've found from Find My Past's parish register images and indexes. But the FreeReg coverage of West Bromwich All Saints is too limited for me at the moment. I am looking mainly for a number of baptisms between 1780 and the 1820s, and there are only All Saints baptisms in FreeReg so far from that period for 1813-1816. So yes it should improve in time, but isn't helping me much at the moment.
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Just got a reply from FindMyPast. They can't confirm whether the West Bromwich parish I need will be added in future, but they have referred me to
http://www.staffordshire.gov.uk/leisure/archives/collections/DigitisationProject/DigitisationProject.aspx
which gives more detail including rough numbers for parish registers, wills and other things to be added over the time-scale of the project.
That's still not very clear for me re West Bromwich All Saints PRs, though the key relevant quote is "However, the project does not cover any registers held by other archive services or those retained by the parishes themselves."
I suspect that means All Saints original registers won't be added, but I don't know if e.g. the Bishop's Transcripts held at Lichfield will be.
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Yes I don't think they intend to put all saints registers on because they are held at west brom not Stafford. To me it means they are only working from Stafford. Don't know about transcripts.
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I'll double-check tomorrow when I go to Lichfield, but I think weste is correct in that they are uploading only those records in the current "Staffordshire" Archives.
In the same way that only the current West Yorkshire records are uploaded on Ancestry not the old West Riding records (which is b.....y annoying for me) :(
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Definetly agree with the Yorkshire records Bumbleb , but got my eye on the centre for catholic records which as my grandfather's mother was catholic it's worth pursuit in the future! Need a trip! Won't ever know her maiden name probably as not married to his father and she's only on census. Also there was a surname change of his father.