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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: gmc4404 on Monday 21 July 14 12:52 BST (UK)
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I am after help working out the name of the Next of Kin on the attached snippit from a service record
I read it as...
Mother Sarah Bell Violet Bauk Heudon
Annan NB Middlesex
It doesn't mean much to me so if someone could give me a different idea it may be helpful
Thanks
GMC
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NOK
Mother : Sarah Bell
Address: Violet Bank, Hendon, Middlesex
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Thank you
Thought it would make sense to someone else.
I have little idea about UK geography!!
Thanks
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What was the chaps surname? Presumably the same as his mother, that is, Bell?
I am trying to work out what the Annan N.B. refers to ...
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The service record is for Robert HAINING
So not too sure where the BELL fits in.
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Did his mother remarry someone with the surname Bell? Do you know if Robert's father had died prior to his enlistment?
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... or .... was she Sarah Bell Annan? Still no idea what the N.B. is though ....
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I dont know much at all - it is all on my wife's side of the family so still trying to put things together as the family has little information
GMC
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"N.B." was commonly used for North Britain (i.e. Scotland) at that time.
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Not my area but there seems to be/have been a Violet Bank in the Annan area:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Scotland-Postcard-River-Annan-from-Violet-Bank-Annan-Real-Photograph-A8762-/121305113487
It looks as though the Hendon, Middx address on the military record was deleted in favour of Violet Bank, Annan, N.B.
Added: or maybe he was misheard - they thought he'd said "Violet Bank Hendon" (and added Middlesex) before he corrected them to "Violet Bank Annan" at which point Hendon was crossed through.
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This transcription shows that there was a BELL family at Violet Bank as early as 1881.
http://pubshistory.com/Scotland/Annan/Annan1881part5.shtml
Perhaps Sarah married a member of that family?
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Thanks avm228
That makes sense now that i look at it again it does look like it was crossed through.
He was born in 1879 so his mother could well have re-married by the time she noted as NOK on his service record.
Gives me another avenue to chase
Thanks
Greg
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Don't know if this is any help but he married Mary Farrell in Edmonton Middlesex in 1909 (the name on the bottom) under next of kin
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Thanks Jolee
Got that - thought i would chase down that side a little later.
Mary and her son eventually migrated to Australia in 1922
GMC
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Well sorted avm. I didn't notice that part of the address had been crossed out. :-[
It all makes sense. (and Bell is a nice Scottish name too ;))
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GMC: have you found Robert's birth? Should be St Pancras c1879 per the military record, but he seems elusive!
Violet Bank Cottage, Annan, was occupied in 1901 by Richard Bell (50 b Annan) and his wife CMK Bell 42 b Cummertrees.
This Bell family appears in 1891 at Justinlees Farmhouse, Cummertrees, Richard's wife enumerated as Catherine, in a household headed by a John Haining b abt 1842 Annan - from what I can see Catherine may be John Haining's sister but you'd need to check the censuses on Scotlandspeople.
Added: yes, she was born Catherine Margaret Kelton Haining in Cummertrees, 1858 and as Catherine M K Haining b c 1859 appears in the 1871 & 1881 censuses at Justinlees, Cummertrees - brother is John.
It looks as though Catherine Haining married Richard Bell in 1882 and died in 1929.
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It all makes sense. (and Bell is a nice Scottish name too ;))
Yes indeed :) Now I am curious as to how Sarah fits in at Violet Bank!
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Hi avm
I have not found Robert's birth other than what it says on his service record.
The closest i could find is
Middlesborough Dec 1879 9d 524
The BELL-HAINING link appears to me to be the wrong way around though??
If he was a Haining and his mother a BELL then .....now i'm getting myself confused!!!!
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Middlesbrough is a very long way from St Pancras!
At the moment I have not made sense of the Bell-Haining link, save to say that there is a link from the censuses between the Violet Bank address and a Bell family who in turn are linked by marriage to a Haining family.
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Do you know what sort of info you get on records from Scotlandspeople?
I have never look at any records there?
GMC
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There are many types of records on SP. To all intents and purposes Scottish census information is akin to what you'd get on an English census record.
Other records differ significantly from their English equivalents (if indeed there are any equivalents). Their FAQ are good on this:
www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/Content/FAQs/index.aspx?40