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Title: Peter and William Martin, miners, WestCalder, 1867-1868
Post by: verylost on Tuesday 29 July 14 01:05 BST (UK)

Peter(b.1839) and William(b.1843) Martin are brothers, their parents are William Martin and Jane Smith. They worked mines in West Calder until about. 1869. Then went to America. I can't find a family group on any of the 41, 51, and 61 Scotland Census. They were born in Bathgate. Anyone have any ideas. Also, in 1867 and 1868 respectfully they joined the Thistle Lodge # 270 in West Calder.

Title: Re: Peter and William Martin, miners, WestCalder, 1867-1868
Post by: CaroleW on Tuesday 29 July 14 23:03 BST (UK)

Hi and welcome to Rootschat

Can you tell us where you got the info from re: birthyears/birthplaces plus parents names?

Also where did you get the info re: Thistle Lodge

Title: Re: Peter and William Martin, miners, WestCalder, 1867-1868
Post by: verylost on Wednesday 30 July 14 00:24 BST (UK)

Hi, CaroleW

Death records in Utah provided the information and membership in the St. John's Lodge #8, Frisco, Beaver County Utah. The Lodge doesn't exist anymore, but the Grand Lodge of Utah had the membership records

Title: Re: Peter and William Martin, miners, WestCalder, 1867-1868
Post by: Forfarian on Wednesday 30 July 14 09:52 BST (UK)

Hmmm.

I notice that the IGI has no community indexed listings for children of William Martin and Jane Smith. There is one listing for Peter, giving his birthplace as Linlithgow, West Lothian. There are three listings for William
(1) William Martin, born 20 May 1843, Linlithgow, died 19 February 1902
(2) William Smith Martin, born 20 May 1843, Linlithgow, died 19 February 1902
(3) William Smith Martin, born 12 July 1843, Clarkston, Renfrewshire, died 19 February 1902
which just goes to demonstrate that you should only ever use the IGI as a finding aid, not as a reliable source!

When you say that you cannot find the family on any census, where have you looked? In particular, have you looked in www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, which is the only place you can get images of the original documents?

Title: Re: Peter and William Martin, miners, WestCalder, 1867-1868
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 30 July 14 18:34 BST (UK)

Birthyear different but this is an 1841 entry for Renfrewshire - all b Renfrewshire except William who is just shown as b Scotland

Ages from 16 upwards were rounded down to the nearest 5 yrs in 1841

William Martin   35
Jane  30
Elisabeth     13
Agnes  15
James  11
John 8
Peter  6
Dugald 1
Paisley Low ED 10 Page 13 Line 430