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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Hampshire & Isle of Wight => England => Hampshire & IOW Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Mollymoofer on Friday 01 August 14 16:42 BST (UK)
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Hi
Can anyone help me with a few puzzles?
I need a bit of help with sorting out the many marriages and children of Maria Blackborow if they are all one and the same!
The facts.
Maria Blackborow was born about 1796 in Bristol.The daughter of Samuel Blackborow and Sarah Clark.Her surname has been spelt Blackborrow,Blackborough and Blackburne in different documents.
She married
1. Thomas Brooks in Wymering,Hampshire 8th Sept 1816 and they had to my knowledge three children Mary A born 1819, Maria born 1822 died 1826? and Thomas Daniel born 1828.Thomas senior died sometime before April 1828 as Maria married again on the 14th of that month.
2. Benjamin Shaw in Wymering,Hampshire 14th April 1828 and they had two children to my knowledge Benjamin Cornelius born 1829 and Emma born 1830.Benjamin senior possibly died October 1829
3. George Saunders sometime between 1829 and 1844 (If they did marry)George I believe died in 1844.
4. ? Jones sometime between 1844 and 1851
5. John Pratt possibly in 1851 as I have a John Pratt marrying a Maria Jones in 1851
Why do I think this?
Well I have Maria in the Hampshire 1841 census living with George Saunders and family of Emma Saunders (Emma Shaw) dau aged 10,Amelia Saunders dau aged 6,George Saunders son aged 6,Albert Saunders son aged 3 and Emily Saunders dau aged 4 months.
A few doors away are her step mother Margaret Blackborow (transcribed as Margaret Blackburne) and two of her other children Thos Brooks from her first marriage and Benjamin Shaw from her second marriage.
In the Hampshire 1851 census Maria is now living with John Pratt aged 40 and her children George Saunders,Albert Saunders and Emily Saunders and her father Samuel Blackborow and her step mother Margaret Blackborow.
So what do I need help with?
Firstly I am looking for the age of Benjamin Shaw on his marriage to Maria Brooks.They married on the 14th April 1828 in Wymering , Hampshire.I have a death for a Benjamin Shaw in 1829 but this Benjamin was 84.Could he have been the husband of Maria and father of the two children?
Secondly I am looking for the marriage of Maria and George Saunders.
Thirdly for a marriage between her and a ? Jones or if not her marriage to John Pratt if she did not have a fourth marriage to a ? Jones. :-\
If anyone can help with any of the puzzles I would be very grateful as it has been giving me a bit of a headache :(
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Hi to anyone who has read my post
I think I have found Maria in the 1861 Hampshire census still living in Alverstoke but now going by the married name of Shaw as in her second husband.Which confirms,I think, my suspicions that she never married husbands numbers three George Saunders ,four? and lastly John Pratt.
I would still appreciate help and points of view on this :)
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um tricky. there is a Benjamin shaw dying in 1844 alverstoke as well as the 1829 death. Cornelius Benjamin shaw ( son ) seems to die in 1845 in alverstoke.
will continue looking and see what I find
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the Benjamin that died 1829 left a will in which he says he leaves everything to maria who he has lately married and that she should support his only son Benjamin. but unfortunately gives no clues to his age.
have you got the certificate - does this give his age as 84?
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The burial record shows Benjamin's age as 84 - there won't be a death certificate in 1829.
No luck finding a burial record for Thomas at the moment.
Nell
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Hi Little Nell and vronlady
I have found the death of Benjamin senior and knew that his age was listed as 84 that was why I wanted to try and find a more detailed transcription of their marriage. I could then hopefully find Benjamins age from that and then know I have the right one :)
I have the details of his son dying in 1845 and also his daughter who died in 1847.I wonder why she wasn't mentioned in the will?Maybe she wasn't his daughter then?
I will keep looking.
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you have emma as born 1830 so I suspect when the will was made they didn't know she was pregnant with her.
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Yes I guess you are right as Maria could only have been 4 to 8 weeks at the time of his death
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Maria Shaw is my three times great grandmother, her daughter Amelia was my grandfathers mother and her daughter Emily was my grandmothers mother, both children of George Saunders. My grandfather and grandmother were first cousins. Maria did not marry again after Benjamin died although she had six children by George Saunders I believe Emma Shaw was probably George's child as well. Emma bap13 July1830
Benjamin senior died 14 Oct 1929. Maria and George Saunders first child Maria bap Oct 1831. Yes Benjamin was 84years when he died so must have been 82/83 when they married. I have found five children to Maria and Thomas Brooks who she married at Wymering in 1816. never found a death for Thomas though. John pratt lived with her at Mud Cottage until he died. Have not come across a Jones.
Would love to know you connection to Maria,she certainly was a lady!!
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Hello
My connection to Maria is through her grandfather Robert Blackborow who is my 5 x Great Grandfather.
I would love to know more about her many children and descendants so any information would be greatly appreciated.
I have identified so far
Mary A Brooks born 1819 and I believe she married a William Francis Bickford in 1836
Thomas Brooks born 1827
Benjamin Cornelius Shaw born 1829 died 1845
Emma Shaw born 1830 died 1847
George Henry Saunders born 1834
Maria born 1836 died 1841
Albert Edward Francis born 1838
Emily born 1841 who married Cornelius John Hilliard in 1857
I do not know of any other children or if Thomas Brooks,George Henry and Albert Edward Francis Saunders married.
Like I said any information would be appreciated :)
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Hi
Apologies, mis-read the last post
Ray
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Hi
Glad to know our connection to Maria
Maria married Thomas Brooks 8 Sept 1816 at Wymering
Children to Thomas and Maria all baptised St Mary's Portsmouth
John William Brooks 10 Aug 1817
Mary Ann Brooks 8Nov 1818
William Thomas Brooks 19 Nov 1820
Maria Brooks 19 May 1822 died/bur 17 Aug 1826
Thomas Daniel Brooks 2 mar 1828
Maria married Benjamin Shaw 14Apr 1828 at Wymering Maria age 32y and Benjamin 82/83y
Children to Benjamin and Maria
Benjamin Cornelius Shaw b 5 Jan 1829 d 5 May 1845 at Mud Cottage
Emma Shaw bap 13 June 1830 d 19 May 1847 at Mud Cottage
Emma was born after her father (Benjamin) died on 14 Oct 1829.
I am sure Emma was the Daughter of George Saunders who Maria was living with at Mud Cottage when her next daughter was born
Maria Saunders bap2 Oct 1831 Holy Trinity Gosport bur 5 Jun 1836
Amelia Saunders bap15 July 1833 d 1910 Plumstead Kent. My Grandfather's mother
George Henry Saunders b 6 Oct 1834
Maria Saunders bap30Aug 1836 bur 14 May 1841 ( Maria was an unlucky name)
Albert Edward Francis Saunders bap 11 Mar 1838 d 1875 in the Street Portsea while in the Navy.
Emily b 4 Jan 1841 d 2 Sept 1868 Mill Lane Hardway Gosport. My Grandmother's mother.
George Saunders died at Mud Cottage 29 Sept 1844 Benjamin Shaw junior and Emma Shaw are buried with him.
Maria is then living with John Pratt who died at Mud Cottage 15 July 1857
Maria died at Mud Cottage 24 Feb 1864.
Mary Ann Brooks m William Francis Bickford 10 Sept1836
Children to mary and WilliamBickford
William Gilbert b June 1838 Stepney
Frances B b 1840 Stepney
Maria Ann b 1842 Stepney
Emma Maria b1848 Dartmouth
Rosina b1847 Dartmouth bap26 Oct 1851
There was also a Thomas Bickford died in The House of Industry Alverstoke age 7 months. Mary Ann Bickford was in the House of Industry with her 4 daughters in 1851 census.
George Henry Saunders m Mary Amelia Green 3 Nov 1856 Mary died 9 Sept 1860. I have found no children of this marriage and do not know if he married again.
Albert Edward Saunders m Martha Ann Gamblin 24 Sept 1856. I have found no children from this marriage.
I have a lot more infomation on Maria's daughter's Amelia and Emily but the story does get a lot more complicated with a bigamous marriage.
Hope what I have told you is of interest and if you would like to hear the rest let me know.
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Hello Jean
I can't believe it has been over five years since this post and I am not sure as to why I did not reply at the time. Life no doubt got in the way.
I did have a year or so off from the family research as so much else to do but I would love to hear more about the family and the descendants if you have the time.
Look forward to hearing from you.
Sonia