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I have a major brick wall that involves a branch of my family tree. I have been given a variety of details from different relatives and am trying to piece them all together.
I was given the names of part of the Regan family who lived in Coolsara/Inniscairn/Desertmartin so here goes:
Elizabeth (Bessie Regan) B 1865 who married John McBride in 1901
James Regan, Robert (bobby) Regan, Minnie Regan, Francis (Frank) Regan B 1880?,
Bernard (Barney) Regan B 1836 believe he married Elizabeth McCristal in 1868,
Josephine Regan (Josie) Regan married an O’Dogherty,
Cissie Regan, Alfred Regan, Patrick Regan B 1864? and Ernest (Ernie) Regan
I am led to believe that they are all siblings although from the details I have found out there DOB’s spread over a 50 year span. I was told Barney married a Crystal and have found a marriage in 1868 and baptism records for their children which fit with the details of the next generation and the census details. On the 1911 census it had them with 8 children born 7 living.
The details I was given for Barneys children where:
John Regan B 1881, Ellen (Cissie) B 1887 married Joseph O’Neill in 1918 marriage certificate confirms Brides father as Bernard. Ruperta Regan (became a Sister) Patrick Regan B? Poss D 1869, Patrick Regan (1) B 1874? Bernard (Barney) B 1883 married an Elizabeth, Edward (Eddie) Regan B 1870 (became a doctor) Annie Regan B 1878 married Felix Convery in the USA, also have found baptism records for Margaret Anne Regan B 1877 think this could be Annie Regan, Mary Jane Regan B 1872 and another Bernard (Barney Regan 1879 – 1880.
The next generation from this is Bernard (Barney’s) children:
Brian Regan, Philomena Regan, Seamus Regan, Cristina (Tina) Regan who married a Keenan, Eamon Regan and Ruperta Regan.
All these details came from Ruperta and Tina Regan in 1999 Bernard (Barneys) daughters.
I have a marriage certificate for Elizabeth (Bessie ) Regan to John McBride and it states Brides fathers name as James. If the marriage of Bernard (Barney) Regan to Elizabeth McCristal is correct the grooms fathers name is listed as Edward.
The census details that give the approx birth dates are
1901 http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Inniscairn/Coolsaragh/1544434/
1911 http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Iniscarn/Coolsaragh/610558/
I have also been told by my mother in law Margaret Regan that Bernard (Barney) Regan B 1883 was her fathers John Regans cousin, which would mean that the Bernard Regan B1836 and Patrick Regan B 1864 have to be brothers.
I am trying to patch this together and find the correct links in the family but am hitting quiet a few brickwalls. If anybody has any other details on any of these people or has them in their tree I would be really grateful for any assistance
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Think I can sort some of this out but was to re-check a few details and then need to type it out logically. Meanwhile, you can click 'modify' in yourr original post and remove any living people as we are not allowed to post such details.
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Hi,
I can find the family listed as O'Regan and can see a couple of your marriages in Magherafelt Roman Catholic church. Some other O'Regan marriages in the same church are:-
7 Nov 1868 Bernard O'Regan and Elizabeth McCristal
10 Feb 1871 Patrick Devlin and Mary O'Regan
9 Jan 1873 James O'Regan and Mary Bradley
26 Jun 1873 Robert Walls and Sarah O'Regan
23 Apr 1902 Patrick Conlon and Mary O'Regan
26 Jul 1906 Felix Convery and Anne O'Regan
Regards
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Hi,
There is mention of several wills in PRONI for Regans of Coolsara and there is an image of one. See http://applications.proni.gov.uk/DCAL_PRONI_WillsCalendar/WillsSearch.aspx
Regards
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Thank you aghadowey the only living person named is my mother in law and she has been named at her request, anybody from this area will be able to place her and hopefully make the connections in fitting this together
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Thank you kingskerswell. There has always been the thread thru all records of the name being recorded as Regan or O'Regan.
The marriage 7 Nov 1868 Bernard O'Regan and Elizabeth McCristal I have the marriage certificate for this and states that Bernards fathers name is Edward which conflicts with his sister marriage certificate of Elizabeth Regan marrying John McBride where it states her father was James Regan. I also have baptism records for some of their children giving both the parents names.
And I also have the marriage certificate for 26 Jul 1906 Felix Convery and Anne O'Regan, which apppears to give the correct/expected brides fathers name. But I'll have a good search of the others and at the proni wills records.
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There is clearly more than one family group here (although they may be related to each other).
Edward Regan (c1788-1870).
Death: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FRRY-K38
The Will of Edward Regan late of Coolsara County Londonderry Farmer deceased who died 4 March 1870 at same place was proved at Londonderry by the oath of Bernard Regan of Coolsara (Desertmartin) aforesaid Farmer the sole Executor. Will mentions wife, son Bernard, daughter Bridget wife of Pat Bradley, dau. Margaret (America).
1. Bernard
2. Bridget m. Pat Bradley
3. Margaret, US
This is probably Edward's son:
Bernard “Barney” Regan (1836-1927) m.(1869) Elizabeth McCristal
marriage- https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGZR-1VK
Elizabeth with son Edward in 1901
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Inniscairn/Coolsaragh/1544434
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Iniscarn/Coolsaragh/610558 (8 ch/7 liv)
Regan Bernard of Coolsaragh county Londonderry farmer died 3 August 1927 Probate Londonderry 20 October to Bernard Regan farmer. Effects £35 10s.
1. John (1881-1921)
Probate of the Will of John Regan late of Coolsara, County Londonderry, Gentleman, who died 12 August 1921 granted at Londonderry 16 November 1921 to Bernard Regan, Farmer, the brother. Effects £1272 13s. 9d.
2. Ellen “Cissie” (1887) m.(1918) Joseph O’Neill
3. Sr. Ruperta
4. Patrick (?d.1869).
5. Patrick (1874) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FPMY-TY5
6. Bernard “Barney” (1883-1961) m. Elizabeth
Regan, Bernard of Coolsara Desertmartin county Londonderry farmer died 15 August 1961 at Mid-Ulster Hospital Magherafelt county Londonderry Probate Londonderry 10 November to Brian Regan farmer. Effects £2156 3s. 6d.
7. Dr. Edward (1870) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F5C4-CHY
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Donegal/Killygordon/Killygordon/1198681
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Donegal/Letterkenny_Urban/Main_Street/498534
8. Mary Jane (1872) - with brother Edward in 1901 birth: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F5KR-4JP
9. Margaret Ann (1877)- Annie?
10. Annie/Anne (1878) m.(1906) Felix Convery
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Gulladuff/Dreenan/610865
2. Jane Francis Convery (c1908-aft.1911)
1. Elizabeth Convery (c1909-aft.1911)
11. Bernard “Barney” (1879-?1880)
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A few comments on what was posted as I was typing out the above-
The marriage 7 Nov 1868 Bernard O'Regan and Elizabeth McCristal I have the marriage certificate for this and states that Bernards fathers name is Edward which conflicts with his sister marriage certificate of Elizabeth Regan marrying John McBride where it states her father was James Regan. I also have baptism records for some of their children giving both the parents names.
Bernard (married 1868) and Elizabeth (married John McBride) were not siblings. I've posted details of Edward's family above and have James' family to add next
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WOW thank you aghadowey
alot of details for me to go thru and hopefully straighten this out.
I was told by a cousin Bernard (married 1868) and Elizabeth (married John McBride) were siblings, this information came from Elizabeth McBrides grandson and the daughters of Bernard Regan (B 1883)- Ruperta and Tina.
But hence my posting it doesn't add up on the information given there had to be an error.......
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___ Regan m. Ellen Otterson (d.1889)
Letters of Administration of the personal estate of Ellen Regan late of Coolsara County Londonderry Widow who died 27 February 1889 at same place were granted at Londonderry to John Otterson of Coolsara Farmer the Brother.
Letters of Administration of the personal estate of John Otterson late of Coolsara County Londonderry Labourer who died 2 October 1891 at same place were granted at Londonderry to Charles Otterson of Coolsara Farmer the Brother.
Letters of Administration de bonis non of the personal estate of John Otterson late of Coolsara County Londonderry Labourer who died 2 October 1891 were granted at Londonderry to James Henry of Ballynahone in said County Farmer nomince of the Court. (Former grant 30 March 1894)
The Will of Charles Otterson late of Coolsara County Londonderry Labourer who died 21 December 1893 at same place was proved at Londonderry by James Henry of Ballynahone in said County Farmer the sole Executor.
James Regan (c1836-aft.1901) m. Nancy/Ann/Annie Hagan (c1849-aft.1901)
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Inniscairn/Coolsaragh/1544432
1. Patrick (1864)
birth: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F5Y7-DVD
baptism (http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/derry/churches/derry-bapt.txt): April 22, 1864- Patrick- James Regan & Nancy Hagan. James Otterson, Alice Otterson
2. Margaret (1866)
birth: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FPYY-D62
baptism (http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/derry/churches/derry-bapt.txt): June 18 1866- Margaret- Jas. Regnin? & Nancy Hagan- Coolsara. Francis Hagan, Betty Otterson
3. Bessie (1869)
birth: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FPDY-XQ7
baptism (http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/derry/churches/derry-bapt.txt): Feb 28 1868- Bessie- James O'Regan & Ann O'Hagan
4. Mary Ann (1871-aft.1901)
birth: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F5M9-FLK
baptism (http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/derry/churches/derry-bapt.txt): Nov 26 1871- Mary Ann- James O'Regan & Ann O'Hagan- Brackalislea. Michael McKenna, Matilda McKenna
? marriage: 23 Apr 1902 Patrick Conlon and Mary O'Regan
5. Edward (1874)
birth: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F5C9-27P
baptism (http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/derry/churches/derry-bapt.txt): June 21 1874- Edward- James Regan & Nancy O'Hagan- Coolcarn. Isabella McGuigan none
6. Rose (1877 Coolcalm)
birth: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGNP-97G
baptism (http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/derry/churches/derry-bapt.txt): July 1 1877- Rose- James O'Regan? & Ann O'Hagan- Coolcarn. Denis Kelly, Ellen Kelly
7. Francis (1880 Longfield)
birth: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FR4T-Z43
birth: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGJ3-FBP
baptism (http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/derry/churches/derry-bapt.txt): April 3 1880- Francis- James Regan & Nancy O'Hagan- Longfield. James Henry, Catherine Donnelly
8. Agnes (c1886-aft.1901)
Also- nephew James O’Regan (c1896 Co.Derry) with the family in 1901 buit 'nephew' sometimes means grandson so be careful not to assume relationship just yet
James Regan (c1851/1841-1927) m. Mary Bradley (c1852/1843-aft.1911)
9 Jan 1873 James O'Regan and Mary Bradley
Regan James of Iniscarn Moneymore county Londonderry farmer died 17 February 1927 Administration Londonderry 22 November to Elizabeth Regan spinster. Effects £51.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Inniscairn/Inniscairn/1544305/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Iniscarn/Iniscarn/610449/
1. Mary (c1877/1874-aft.1911)
2. Elizabeth/Lizzie (c1884/1881-aft.1927)
3. Charles (c1888/1885-aft.1911)
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I think that Bessie (born 1869), daughter of James Regan & Nancy Hagan, is the Bessie Regan who married John McBride-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Inniscairn/Brackalislea/1544380
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Iniscarn/Brackaghlislea/610510
Valuation Revision Books (www.proni.gov.uk) will show if Bessie McBride stayed in the O'Hagan place.
More to come...
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Found James & Nancy Regan in 1911 census- says 8 children (4 living) which ties into list of children I posted earlier.
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Desertmartin/Rosgarran/613337
1. Patrick (1864-1910) m. Mary Ann Donnelly. Children: John, Patrick, James, Edward, Francis, Lewis, Denis, Joseph, & 3 others (d.bef.1911).
Administration of the Estate of Patrick Regan late of Rocktown County Londonderry Farmer who died 22 April 1910 granted at Londonderry to Mary Ann Regan the Widow.
2. Margaret (1866)
3. Bessie (1869) m. John McBride
4. Mary Ann (1871-aft.1901)
5. Edward (1874)
6. Rose (1877 Coolcalm)
7. Francis (1880 Longfield)
8. Agnes (c1886) 1911- with parents
Also a nephew Patrick O'Regan (born c1894) who I think is this Patrick in 1901- which happily gets you more relatives!
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Rocktown/Rocktown/1542996
More to come...
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Now to wind up some names mentioned in your original post-
I think these are children of James Regan & Nancy O'Hagan (mentioned above):
Patrick Regan (1864?)
Elizabeth “Bessie” Regan (1865) m.(1901) John McBride
Francis “Frank” Regan (1880?)
Minnie Regan (Mary?)
Cissie Regan- Cissie can be a nickname (sister) so difficult to pin down
James Regan
Robert “Bobby” Regan
No marriage (or birth) in Co. Derry for a Josephine Regan found-
Josephine “Josie” Regan m. ___ O’Dogherty
These 2 quite puzzling as I can find no births in Co.Derry that fit-
Alfred Regan
Ernest “Ernie” Regan
Little more to come...
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Searching Emerald Ancestors database (free) shows some marriages which are of interest (details from other sources added)-
all Magherafelt district-
1834 Charles ? to Bridget Regan
1834 Edward Regan to Mary ?
1849 John ? to Rose Regan
1852 Patrick Regan to Mary ?
1862 Francis Regan to Mary ?
1868 Michael Regan to Anne Meehan https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGZF-XS8
1869 Michael Regan to Mary Convery https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGZ8-3W3
1885 John Regan to Mary Anne Hagan?
1888 Peter Mullan to Mary Regan
1891 John ? to May Regan
1892 William Regan to Mary
1901 John McBride to Elizabeth Regan
1903 Elizabeth Ann Regan to Thomas H. ?
1909 Patrick ? to Mary Regan
1911 Matthew Regan to Annie ?
1918 Joseph ? to Ellen Regan
1919 John Regan to Bridget ?
1920 John ? to Annie Regan
1922 Felix ? to Mary Regan
1923 Thomas Joseph ? to Mary Regan
1923 John Regan to Rose ?
1929 Denis Regan to Mary ?
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Thank you so much aghadowey, you have given me so much to go and look at.
I use ancestry, roots ireland and emerald ancesters. I notice you found alot on family search, maybe I should try using this more for reference but have found that I dont normally find much info on it, probably me not searching correctly.
I have a full membership on emerald ancesters so will have a good look at the full details.
Looks like I'll be starting this section of the tree a fresh, knew it didn't add up but its difficult when you are being given information by relatives that they claim is correct not to believe what they are saying and couldn't make the break thru's needed to prove it was wrong.
Thank you so much, know exactly what I am spending all day tomorrow doing.....
Heather
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The Patrick Regan you mentioned
1. Patrick (1864-1910) m. Mary Ann Donnelly. Children: John, Patrick, James, Edward, Francis, Lewis, Denis, Joseph, & 3 others (d.bef.1911).
Administration of the Estate of Patrick Regan late of Rocktown County Londonderry Farmer who died 22 April 1910 granted at Londonderry to Mary Ann Regan the Widow.
he was our great grandfather, with John being our grandfather, my mother in laws father.
Thanks again
Heather
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Just checked 1831 census for 'Regan' in Co. Londonderry and there are some which will be of interest. Unfortunately it will only list head of households and number of males & females but at least it shows townlands.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/
select 1831 for the year, put in Regan as surname, select Londonderry as county then click 'search' button.
thanks to conahy calling for noticing typo with census year :-[
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thank s once again aghadowey
you've been so helpful. Just trying to lay it all out in a new section of the tree to see how they all fit in and how Edward and James are related....
Heather
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hi aghadowey,
many thanks for all your help, I've been going thru all the details you kindly provided and make a tree with just these details to see how they fit into my tree. I do just have one question on some of the details and links that you added eg:
4. Mary Ann (1871-aft.1901)
birth: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F5M9-FLK
baptism: Nov 26 1871- Mary Ann- James O'Regan & Ann O'Hagan- Brackalislea. Michael McKenna, Matilda McKenna
I'm assuming that the names of the McKenna's are the witnesses, I followed the link you gave but only got to see the basic info and no names of the witnesses as you provided I was wondering how you managed to find these details. I do have a family search account but have to admit I don't tend to use the site as much as I probably should do, I tend to use ancestry, emerald ancestors and roots ireland
One again many thanks
Heather
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Click in the word 'baptism' under Mary Ann's name in my post (reply #9) which brings you to this site-
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/derry/churches/derry-bapt.txt
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thank you aghadowey,
what a brilliant site not come across this one before, still learning.....
Heather
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Hi Heather
I wonder if you had anymore information about Mary Ann (Donnelly) Regan. I am researching Donnelly's. Over the years I have gathered alot of information trying to piece this family together and 'place them'and their movements. A *gut feeling*( not the best research tool) and some other information in your thread just made me wonder if she was one of 'mine'?
Ever hopeful
CD
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hi CD,
what else do you want to know, I do have quiet abit of info about Mary Ann as she is my partners great grandmother.
Heather
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Hi Heather
Thanks for getting back to me so quickly. :) I suppose the easiest thing to ask is where does she come from and who were her parents? What year was she born?
I came unstuck tracing my Donnelly's with my 2x great grandfather whom I think was born about 1840-45. When visiting Ireland several years ago I came across a story which placed my family as originally from 'the mountain'/Brackalislea/Gortahurk. I do know there are alot of Donnelly's in this area with 'nicknames' for the various offshoots to identify the various families. I am forever keeping my eyes open for any clues!
Thanks
CD
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Hello, I'm Elizabeth (Bessie) Regan and John McBride's grand-daughter. What's your specific question and I'll see can I help.
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hi pinciIRL
thank you for your message, I have sent you a private message
Heather