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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Caernarvonshire => Topic started by: wendythomas on Sunday 24 August 14 11:02 BST (UK)
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Hi,I would love some information about my great great grandparents John and Laura Griffith of Hendy Sarn Meillteyrn,they married on the 18th of August 1857 in the parish of Denio.Laura was Jones before she married and was born in Glanmorfa or Glanmorfa Bach Abererch the daughter of Evan Jones,I do not have her mother's name.On the marriage certificate she resided at Penlan Bach Pwllheli she must have worked there.John Griffith was the son of Griffith Williams and lived in Tyncoed Abererch when he married,I think he was a labourer there.I would like to know where his family lived.I cannot find them on the censuses before 1861 .I would like to find their mother's names and if they had any siblings.Laura was born in 1836 and John in1821.
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1851 possibility for Laura?
Class: HO107; Piece: 2513; Folio: 54; Page: 19
Cefn uchaf, Llanystymdwy, Caernarfonshire
Jones, Evan Head M 47 Farmer of 120 Acres b Llanystymdwy
Jones, Catherine Wife F 42 b Glynop
Jones, Henry Son M 19 Farmer's son employed on the Farm b Llanystymdwy
Jones, Margaret Daughter F 17 Employed at home b Llanystymdwy
Jones, Laura Daughter F 14 Employed at home b Llanystymdwy
Hughes, Thomas Son M 11 b Llanystymdwy
Jones, Evan Son M 9 b Llanystymdwy
Jones, Catherine Daughter F 7 b Llanystymdwy
Jones, Owen Son M 3 b Llanystymdwy
Jones, John Son M 7 months b Llanystymdwy
Llanystymdwy is close to Pwllhelli.
Does this census match father's occupation on the marriage certificate?
Any witness names that match?
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Deleted - confused DoB!
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Evan Jones is down as a labourer on the marriage certificate,the witnesses were John Jones and Elizabeth Jones.
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I had been looking at John Griffith, age 16, Mylltyrn on the 1841 Census (HO107 1388 9 4) - not living with family unfortunately. Across the page is a William Griffith, Tynycoed, age 60 with wife Elinor, 60. Below them is a Griffith Williams and family, Tyynmieri. But the Tynycoed on the '57 marriage cert is Tynycoed, Abererch. Tynycoed is a very, very common name, unfortunately.
The age 16 indicates it hasn't been rounded down (tho' no guarantee) which doesn't fit with the 1871 Census entry (age 50, born Meillteyrn)- although all other ages on the page are rounded down.
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Hi,it looks very likely you have the right John here,there is a Tyn Muriau in Meillteyrn and nearby is a Tyncoed,perhaps it was was called Tynmieri in the beginning. Perhaps the Tyncoed on the certificate is a mistake and it should have been Meillteyrn and not Abererch.
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A stone's throw from Glan-morfa bach in Abererch is Ty'n y Coed - it's on the 1891 map so it was quite possibly/likely there in 1857.
Just to clarify (a) where did they marry? (b) what was John's father's occupation? (c) what exactly is the entry for John under "Residence at time of marriage" (this is not necessarily where he may have lived).
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They married at the parish church in the parish of Denio.John's father was a labourer.John resided at Tyncoed in the parish of Abererch.Could you please give me the census results for 1841and1851 of the Griffith Williams and family of Tyn Mieri
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1851 Census
Griffith Williams, age 45, occpn. farmer; Elinor, age 45; William, age 15; Margred, age 15; Elisabeth, age 12 and Cathrine, age 8.
Address - looks like "Tynymiria" (attempt to capture "Tynymieri"?) - parish "Myllteyrn"
Don't have them in '51.
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Is the above census the one for 1841,you have written underneath do not have the1851
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Apologies - that's the 1841 census.
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Thanks,would it be possible to find out where they lived after 1841?
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1861 Census (ref RG09 4333 50 6)
Griffith William, 69; Ellin, 69 and Catherine, 28 are still at "Tyarymuria, Meillteyrn" in 1861. Griffith's occupation is "Farmer".
John describes his father's occpn as "labourer" which doesn't really fit with the above's description - both in 1841 and 1861.
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Tyn Muriau has only a few acres of land,perhaps he went out to work and also farmed at home,are they there in1871 and 1881?
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1871 Census (RG10 5707 100 8)
"Tynymuria", Parish of Meylltyrn
Griffith Williams, Head 78, Widower, Farmer 16 acres, b Meillteyrn
Cathrin Williams, Dau, 36, Unm, b. Meillteyrn
Ellin Thomas, Grand Dau, 10, b. Llaniestyn