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The following article is about the Bungay family who were a marryin to a branch of my Shergolds.....
Profile First Draft “Ann Shirgold 1809 - 1858” authored by Martin Shergold[aka fastfusion]
Ann Shirgold (Shergold) was born circa 1809 in Burcombe, Wiltshire but christened at Great Wishford St Giles on the 16th of April 1809 by Henry & Mary Shergold; and married Henry Bungay also born of Burcombe. The couple married at Baverstock St. Edith, Wiltshire in 1839but it has not been yet determined as to whether or not the union was by banns or licence.
The marriage of Ann Shirgolds younger brother William Shergold to Anne Wilcox on the 18th of January 1834 also took place at Baverstock St Edith. Anns’ parents Henry & Mary Shergold were still alive in the 1851 Baverstock census both aged 66 with son James. [There were other siblings of Ann and I write about those folk elsewhere.][The 1841 census for Anns parents also hasn’t been located]
Henry and Ann Bungay gave issue to four children all being christened at Baverstock St. Edith where the overall family resided until at least 1861, with the abode at one point being described as Spring Head.
The 1841 census for Henry, Ann, Henry jnr and Louisa Bungay has not been located. Henry Bungay jnr was christened on the 5th May 1839; Louisa Bungay was christened on the 18th April 1841, Charles Bungay was christened on the 18th of February 1844 and lastly James Bungay was christened on the 16th May of 1847 [[but none of the births were recorded with the registry office at Wilton??]]. In 1851 the family is recorded as having one Thomas Pretty then aged 54 being a boarder residing with them. As much as the Shergold family had ties with the Petty/Pretty family it is unclear in this case whether or not Thomas was related to Ann in any form so it may assumed that his presence was merely to supplement the income of the family.
The main income for the family was derived from Henry Bungay snr working as an Agricultural Labourer. Ann Bungay nee Shirgold died intestate aged 49 in 1858, and is probably buried at Bishopstone as suggested by the WFHS bmd website. Her death was not registered until sometime in the June quarter of 1859; which may indicate some form of coronial inquest was held; or, Henry was over- wrought with grief or most probably un-financial to do so. She did not die after 1900 as one researcher suggested. But there is a problem with this as the only Bungay recorded in Bishopstone transcripts appears as “6.5.1859 Elizabeth BUNGAY of Netton age 80 Francis Lear[minister]”so the entry described by WFHS for Ann somehow has problems in relation to this story or the entry for Ann has been overlooked by the transcriber of the Parish Register Burials….or simply is buried somewhere else closer to Baverstock.
A new problem then arises from the entry at Bishopstone, and that is one of how Elizabeth Bungay is related to Henry Bungay snr. The other issue here was illness and if one looks at the transcriptions of Bishopstone there must have been a hospice or workhouse nearby…..so was Ann Bungay sick before she died and her body otherwise disposed of? The 1841 and 1851 census for Elizabeth Bungay also have not been found.
The 1861 census recorded Henry Bungay snr as a widower aged 42; whereas in 1851 he was described as being born circa 1817; residing with his three sons, and they were all working as agricultural labourers. see adjunct
Louisa Bungay, however, is found in the 1861 census working in the household of Marmaduke Jefferys at Sedgehill House, Goods Lane, Mere in Wiltshire. Marmaduke Robert Jefferys a retired Barrister at Law born of Surrey is with his wife Anne Maria born of Middlesex; and; also at home is their 18 year old unmarried daughter Anna Geraldine. His son Marmaduke Dorrell Jefferys was not present on the evening of the 1861 census. The household of Sedgehill House was considerable with servants. These included John Stubbins as butler, James Scammell as footman, Wright Scammell coachman; Eliza Alford as Ladysmaid, Harriet Saunders cook; Mary Alford as housemaid and of course 20 year old Louisa Bungay working as a kitchen maid. It is interesting to note that in the Jefferys last census of 1851 one Jane Alford aged 26 was engaged as ladysmaid; with totally different staff as with the 1841 census where again different folk were engaged. It would be interesting to undertake research as to how all the Alford women were related and why Marmaduke continued to render the family service by providing employment.
After 1861 nothing further is known regarding Louisa Bungay which adds to the already existing mystery of to whom Henry Bungays lineage attaches. It would also be equally interesting to learn more of the barrister and his participation in the legal fraternity, especially when he was alive working around the time of the agrarian riots right through to the end of convict transportation.
References to date
Wiltshire Family History Society
Bishopstone burial transcripts
WRO for [census1841]; census 1851; census 1861
Latter Day Saints International Genealogical Index Microfische 1986
transcripts of Robert Shergold
Any assistance with furthering information to expand the profiles of all the folk mentioned would be appreciated…..thank you
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Henry and family are in Baverstock - transcribed as Beerngy on An..y next door to Henry, Mary and Charles Shergold
Jay
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Adjunct>
Henry Bungay snr is found in 1869 remarrying to Mary Webb at Baverstock St Edith [C5/1/46] and by her gave issue to William Bungay born 1870 {BSTONE/10/469}. In 1881 he is found residing at Farm House, Baverstock with his new wife and son. As well he is still working as an agricultural labourer. It is indicated that he was 63 years of age while his new wife was 13 years younger and young William is 10 years of age. By 1891 the family is still together only all 10 years older. Henry Bungay snr died aged 79 in 1896 {BSTONE/10/142}
Henry Bungay jnr is next found in 1871 with his wife Leah residing at Dinton, Wiltshire. He is recorded as having two children Ann and Alice Bungay who are nine and one respectively. Also in the house on census night is his father. Affirmation of all the children has not been completed yet excepting Ann Mary Bungay registered Dec 1861 quarter and Alice Maria Bungay whose birth is registered in June quarter of 1870; both at Wilton. There is another child born to Henry jnr and Leah being John S Bungay in 1866 registered in September quarter at Wilton but this child died age 4 in 1870 [Birth 1866 BSTONE/9/326 Births Sep 1866 Bungay John Wilton 5a 191 ;Death 1870 BSTONE/6/424] Of all the births it still has not affirmed whether the childrens mother Leah was born Bungay or simply did not record her maiden name anywhere.
Leah Bungay aged 65 died in 1901 Bishopstone [BSTONE/10/415]Henry Bungay jnr is recorded in 1911 as still alive being a widower residing at Sprackland Cottage, Dinton and his occupation was farm carter. The 1891 census for Henry Bungay jnr also gives an insight to another child being Ellen who is recorded as being 17 years of age and we are then able to confirm the families whereabouts in 1881 as Henrys child Ellen is only 7years old. The 40 year old Henry is home with Leah now 41 residng at Hunt House, Dinton. As for Henry Bungays marriage, it was discovered that he married in 1861 but he registers himself as Harry, and Leah was registered as Bungay. The church for this union was Barford St Martin.
Charles Bungays life is fairly well recorded in the census. In 1871 a 26 year old Charles Bungay is found living with his 27 year old wife Elizabeth and 3 year old son in the parish of Ordsall , Lincoln, Nottinghamshire. It is of this census that determines that his wife is from Fovant in Wiltshire and his son is born in Black Friars{ Surrey?}but also that his unmarried brother James Bungay now 24 is with them indicating that their father has settled with his new family. It is not quite clear whether James was engaged by the railways as well, but one thing is certain being that all the neighbours are railway workers indicating the abode may have been a railway owned cottage of some description. By 1881 he has moved living at 6 Alfred Terrace West Ham Essex working as a railway guard. Present was his wife Elizabeth and 15 year old son Edward Charles Bungay. Edward Charles Bungay is employed working as a Railway Clerk with Freight Goods. In 1891 the family is indicated as still in West Ham but in the parish of St Saviour. The 47 year old Charles is still engaged as a Railway Guard, and Elizabeth his wife is also home. Edward Charles Bungay now 25 is still working for the railways. But there are two other persons in the house. Sarah Bungay aged 45 and Ethel Foot aged 3.The question here is whether or not Sarah Bungay is in fact Louisa Bungay, and who in Dickens is Ethel Foot? The question raised a problem which will remain a mystery at this point….
By 1911 Charles Bungay has retired being aged 67 years, and wife Elizabeth now 71 years old. They are enjoying life at 117 Wolseley Road, Southtown, Gt Yarmouth, Gorleston, Norfolk.. The couple describe themselves as “retired passenger” and “ginster” which to this researcher indicates they have had a good life. From the death of Elizabeth Bungay it was determined the elderly couple lived around Great Yarmouth until at least 1917 when Elizabeth’s death is recorded in the September quarter of 1917 [Yarmouth 4b 31]being 78 years of age.
Charles Bungay now alone returned to Wiltshire and his death is recorded at Wilton for December quarter of 1921 aged 76.
Of Charles and Elizabeths son Edward; his birth is recorded for March 1866 registered at St Saviour [1d 3]; his marriage is at West Ham Essex [Marriages Jun 1893 Bungay Edward Charles W. Ham 4a 51] and his death [Sep 1938 Bungay Edward C aged 73 Rochford 4a 679]
It is known that Edward had at least one child Edward William recorded as such
“Births March quarter of 1894 Bungay Edward at West Ham in Essex[4a 189]; Deaths March quarter of 1894 Bungay Edward aged 0 at West Ham [4a 95]”
Of James Bungay born 1847, it is feasible that he married in June quarter of 1872 at East Retford which is in Nottinghamshire [7b 30] but this has not been confirmed. He possibly died June quarter of 1925 aged 78 registered at Doncaster [9c 866]
And finally of the adjunct; as it happens so often in small communities through history people from same surnamed families have intermarried. This being demonstrated with the following marriage but determinations of whether these folk where related to our current story has not been achieved.
Sarah Bungy Married 29 Oct 1751 at Downton to Thomas Shergold Of parish Salisbury St Edmund
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cheers frogspawn..... no wonder we cant find these things....shall look :) ;)
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Marmaduke Robert Jeffreys who died aged 91 has his death registered H.Hempstead in 1898 , had abandoned or sold Sedgehill sometime in the period 1861 to 1867.
His son Marmaduke Darell Jeffries married Elizabeth Stone in March quarter of 1869 somewhere in Staines registration district. The son predeceased his father dying aged 52 at Hendon in 1893. This indicates that Louisa Bungay may have been employed at Sedgehill until the property was disposed of. Marmaduke Roberts daughter - Anna Geraldine married Ashton Cromwell Warner in 1868 at Bridge; and sadly she died aged 29 at Luton in 1871. It is unclear as to when Marmaduke Roberts wife died.
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Have you considered that the "age 80" is actually, age 50 ? Handwritten, often difficult to distinguish.
Also, the death in May 1859 is much more plausible for a 1959 June Quarter registration.
How do you actually know that she really died in 1858 ? Being upset for 6 months, is not a plausible scenario.
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no unfortunately you are wrong>>>>> two completely different folk.....
Elizabeth Bungay is suspected as the mother.... and because transcriptions for Baverstock are not completely online for burials it cannot be confirmed....
One also care to note that of the 2 certificate references available for this; one is for an infant as also confirmed by WFHS....
As well the affirmation comes from the Wiltshire Family History Society......
a coronial inquest can interfere in the process........
there is another undermining issue here>>>> none of his children were registered with WRO so what would change from a man who could only probably just write his name......
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Hi
I might have found Elizabeth B in 1851 in Bishopston
HO107/ 1848/ 286; Page: 2;
Betty Bunzy and Thomas Bunzy. Thomas is a shoemaker.
Jay
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And in 1841
HO107/ 1174/1 p 13 Bishopstone Wiltshire
Transcribed and Bunsy. Thomas - shoemaker and Betty.
Jay
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excellent work frogspawn.....