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... or other evidence of parentage?
I have a great x7 grandmother Mary Harradine, who married Richard Richardson in Potton on 29 March 1730. I have been unable to locate a baptism or find anything about her prior to her marriage (although so far I have only searched the registers for Potton itself).
The discussion on the other Harradine thread has made me wonder whether she was either one of the children of Richard Harradine, carpenter who were settled at Potton from Moggerhanger on 21 April 1701 (BLARS P64/13/1b/7), or a further child of Richard Harradine and his wife born subsequently.
Any further evidence to prove or disprove this speculation would be very handy ...
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....or she might have been the Mary Haraden baptised at Blunham on 20 Jun 1708, daughter of Matthew and Mary. Mogerhanger was a hamlet of Blunham. Unfortunately the Richardsons don't appear to have baptised a son Matthew though. But there's no burial of a Matthew in Blunham, but there is in Potton in 1744. Hmmmmmmm!
I was about to look at Blunham and Potton Harradines in any event in connection with the other thread, so this may be the job for the day! More later I hope
David
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Many thanks, Beds Boy.
When you say "Unfortunately the Richardsons don't appear to have baptized a boy Matthew though", do you actually mean that the Haradens don't? The Richardsons were the family she married into?
(They then remained in Potton for another five generations: their son William Richardson, 1737 - 1802 who married Mary King was my great x6 grandfather; their son Richard Richardson, 1765 - 1849 who married Mary Holden was my great x5 grandfather; their son George Richardson, 1808 - 1888 who married Elizabeth Giddins was my great x4 grandfather; and their daughter Emma Richardson 1831 - 13.8.1899 was my great x3 grandmother. She entered service in the household of Murfin Blott (wonderful name, that ...) in the Huntingdonshire village of Great Staughton, and when my Great x3 grandfather James Hardwick (1821 - 13.1.1890) was widowed, leaving him with two young children, he married Emma Richardson in 1853. They had six children together, including my great x2 grandfather William Hardwick (b. 29.6.1860, d. after 1911) and they are both buried in the same grave in the centre of the old burial ground at Great Staughton with a rather impressive (and still largely legible) headstone.
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No, I really did mean Richardsons. If the traditional naming pattern had been followed the Richardsons' second son would have been named after Mary's father. If they had baptised a son Matthew Richardson it would have been good circumstantial evidence that Mary was the daughter of Matthew. I think she was, but I can't yet prove it!
I don't think Mary was an unbaptised daughter of the Richard who was the subject of the Settlement certificate and who died in 1716. He baptised a daughter Sarah in Potton in 1705 but I can't find any children who were baptised pre 1710 (yet! Haven't been through all the variations)
I'm adding this lot to my tree at http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/51997169/person/26208852431 in the expectation that I'll link them to my 4xg grandmother Ann Harradine from Southill. If you can't get into it and would like to see my thoughts on them send me a personal message with your email and I'll send you an invitation.
It's not straightforward researching the Harradines as apart from the numerous spelling variations that look like Harradine there's also the Hardin(g) variation as well which isn't picked up by Soundex, which then has its own set of variations.
And I'm still trying to differentiate between Harding as a variation of Harradine, and Harding which was a name in its own right.
Still working on them.
David
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Aha ... I understand the point now.
No, there was no Matthew Richardson.
Richard and Mary Richardson had five children, so far as I have been able to ascertain:
Richard Richardson (baptized 25 October 1730)
Mary Richardson (baptized 11 February 1732/3)
Hannah Richardson (baptized 23 March 1734/5)
William Richardson (baptized 8 January 1737/8)
Elizabeth Richardson (baptized 23 May 1740)
Richard Richardson the elder's will is at BLARS ABP/W1779/10. He was probably widowed in the 1750s. He made his will on 7 September 1768, but then lived another ten years. There is an interesting bequest to his daughter Mary of "the gold ring that was her Grandmother's to be delivered to her when she attains the age of twenty one years". There is no indication whether this was her paternal grandmother or her maternal grandmother that we're talking about ... but if it was her maternal (Harradine) grandmother's ring, then it is just possible that there may be a mention of it in other family documents which may help to show the link.
It's not much to go on, I know ... but every little piece of circumstantial evidence helps in this game, does it not?
(I have to say, though, that I suspect the ring had actually belonged to her paternal grandmother, because this was Hannah Richardson, nee Snitch ... and the Snitch Family was reasonably prosperous. Hannah Snitch was the sister of John Snitch, who founded the John Snitch Charity - now part of the Potton Combined Charities - and who is commemorated on a slab on the wall of Potton church.)
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There were two Mary Harradines marrying in Potton within 6 years. First was your one to Richard Richardson on 29 Mar 1730 & then the other to James Philips on 5 Oct 1736. Have you researched both families to differentiate these 2 Marys.
Also on 22 Sept 1737 a William Harradine married Mary Clavers. William & Mary baptised 2 children Matthew 19 Aug 1738 & Thomas 6 Apr 1740. Thomas, son of W & M was buried 17 Apr 1740 & Matthew Harradine buried 27 Apr 1744 but this does not say son of.. (**) Mary wife of William was buried 25 Dec 1744 after which William Harradine/Harrowdine married Elizabeth Payne on 6 Oct 1749 although the transcript does not state that he was a widower. William & Elizabeth baptised son Thomas on 2 Sept 1750.
** David, I see from your tree that you've claimed him to be husband of Eleanor Bradshaw who was buried in Blunham. Have you found any further reference to the Matthew son of Willam & Mary?
Cheers John
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Cat pigeons are words that spring to mind! Thanks for keeping me on the straight and narrow.
The tree is just a skeleton at the moment, and I'm adding names as I find them, taking them a son at a time. But there may be other people's bones mixed in there too! May have a chance this afternoon to work on them a bit more.
I'd missed Matthew son of William (actually I hadn't got as far as him), but it does tend to cast a doubt over my theory that the burial in Potton in 1744 was the one born in 1664 in Blunham (Matthias). Could equally have been the 6 year old (although many burials at that time were described as "s/d of xxx and yyyy" and this one wasn't, as you point out). I'm definitely a Matthew burial short. But on the other hand, if you believe in naming patterns, it tends to confirm that William in Potton was the one born in Blunham in 1694, son of Matthew.
And it seems as though I'm a Mary baptism short too. James and Mary Philips baptised three children in short order in Potton, so it doesn't seem as though Mary was an aged widow.
Spent half the morning at the dentist getting a bridge repaired, the other half at Leclerc and preparing lunch for the boy, and I'm running late. More in an hour (if the bridge survives. It may be A Bridge too Far!)
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Been looking at the Harradines in my tree and am surprised at how many of them I have. My 4xg grandmother from Southill, a 6xg grandmother in Southill whose name was Hardin but I'm now looking at her with fresh eyes, Harradines from Hinxworth Herts, Guilden Morden Cambs and Bourn Cambs. And none of them seem to link up. Now that winter's coming I might have to do a serious bit of research on them.
David
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Morning..... you saying ''of Guilden Morden" triggered this. Whilst at Beds Archives earlier this week I looked at the will of Thomas Harrodine, yeoman of Southill, ref ABP/W 1691/67. He most likely is the Thomas Harraden, weaver buried there on 13 Apr 1691.
The will dated 12 Apr 1690 says amongst a lot more "I give & bequeath to my grand-son John Harraden...../...to have when he attains the age of 21" & also "... to my grand-daughter Elizabeth Harraden, not yet 21". It then says if anything happens to these two then "...to go to my godson Thomas Harraden of Guildon Moordon in Cambs, son of Joseph Harradon.
Executors are daughter in law Margaret Harraden & good friend Thomas Inskip.
Thomas's wife Alice was buried 12 Dec 1687 at Southill.
Thomas Harrowden married Alice Cocks on 24 Sept 1650 at Southill.
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Bon jour, Thanks John, that's a very informative will; plenty of useful names to work with, and three generations too. Is John the grandson under 21 the one who married Sarah Halfhead in Southill in 1708 I wonder? And it implies a link between Southill and Guilden Morden. Oh dear, more digging required!
I found a 1705 Poll book on Ancestry this morning which lists Matthew Harding and William Harrowden among the list of voters in Blunham (not Mogerhanger which is listed separately), and also picked up William Harding 2 hearths and Stephen Harroden 1 hearth in Mogerhanger in the 1671 Hearth Tax. I think William (b 1642) in 1671 is the father of Matthew and William in 1705. Don't know who Stephen is though. A brother of William perhaps - Robert Harradine b 1639, brother of William b 1642 named a son Stephen.
Whether I'm going to be able to establish the link between Blunham and Southill I'm not sure, but I'm equally sure there must be one.
David
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I suspect the son of Thomas was John who married Margaret Browne at Campton on 27 Sep 1676, who was the John buried at Campton in 1688.
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David, That will is on the BLARS catalogue ref W1547....date 12 Apr 1690 ...as so ....
Copy will of Thos. Harraden of S'll. ymn.''being sick & weak in body.''
To grdson. Jn. Harraden:
-- cott. purch. of Humphry Thurrogood,
cott. in wh. he now lives purch. of Jn. Cooper,
cott. purch. of Jn. Thurrogood,
(managed by exors, until he is of age)
In deft. to grddau. Eliz. Harraden.
To Eliz:
-- Cott. occ. Rob. Purser purch. of Thos. Inskip: to Jn. in deft. Conting. rem. to godson & cous. Thos. Harradon of Guilden Morden Camb. (s. of Jos. Harradon)
To dau.-in-law Marg. Harradon for life, then grd. Eliz:
-- Cott. in Shefford purch. of Jn. Ramboll gent.; £5.
To cous. Marg. Mums, Ellin Feild (dau. of Thos. F. of Hinksworth Herts.), Godson Thos., Jn. Horsley (s. of J.H. of G. Morden) - monetary bequests.
Exors. - dau.-in-law Marg. H. & ''loveing freind'' Thos. Inskip of Stamford: to ''part goods & implements of household stuffe'' equally to grchn.; T.L. to have £3 for his trouble.
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I wondered where you'd found it as there are no Harradines in the index in those two books we bought at BLARS -it's a copy of the will rather than a probate copy, which are what the books list. Just had another look in the book and there are Hardings at Mogerhanger and Southill.
That will is going to take some work trying to work out who his cousins were at Hinxworth (where there were also Harradines) and Guilden Morden! But it might provide the key to unravelling the lot of them.
Thanks
David
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David, The will is in those indexes..... positioned at HARROWDEN/HARRADINE including Steven from Moggerhanger 1674/5 ** for which the burial register names as Stephen Harding buried 30/1/1674-75......& there also a HORRODINE!
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Should have gone to Specsavers
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Going through BLARS online catalogue is hard work, with no Soundex and so many variations. Just found an interesting 1677 conveyance under Harrowden, the same Thomas that John found the will for yesterday. In the property that he bought from John Cooper mentioned in his will, he is referred to as Thomas Harrowden alias Bartle.
Now in Guilden Morden there are a number of Harradine alias Bartles. Did the GM bunch turn up from Southill, or vice versa? As Harroden appears in Southill from the mid 1500s I assume they moved from there into Cambs.
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Continuing with the alias Bartle theme.... from Campton cum Shefford registers...
Burials
25 May 1682 Thomas son of John Harroden/Harrodine alias Bartle of Shefford
{ 13 July 1682 John son of John Harreden of Shefford
{ 13 July 1682 John son of John Bartle of Shefford
* 2 entries listed
Baptisms
14 Oct 1677 Elizabeth daughter of John Bartloe, weaver of Shefford
4 Sept 1679 Mary daughter of John Battle, weaver of Shefford
plus 24 Feb 1686-87 William son of John Harredin/Harredine of Shefford
David, you found that John Harrowden married Margaret Browne at Campton on 27 Sept 1676 Shefford. I suspect the above are their children. John was buried there on 29 Jan 1687-88 and after that Margaret Haradine, widow married Gravely Ummont, widower of Shefford on 31 Mar 1692. Gravely Ummett was buried 22 Mar 1707-8 and Margaret Ummitt, widow was buried on 6 May 1717
more later......
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....... Is John the grandson under 21 the one who married Sarah Halfhead in Southill in 1708 I wonder?
David, There's a set of BLARS entries references W1540-1549 dating 1663-1714 regarding a messuage & 1 acre purchased from John Harrowden by Sir George Byng where W1547 was the 1691 will of Thomas Harraden. Ref W1549 dated 1 Mar 1713/14 relates to conveyance of a cottage occupied by William Dunton & Samuel Meager, which states John Harrowden, grandson of Thomas Harrowden of Southill, yeoman, deceased .... & mentions Sarah wife of J H. So you may be correct.
Next ref W1548 Mortgage...dated 12 Jan 1709-10....endorsed 14 Jan 1714-15 .....mentions John Harrowden alias Bartle of Southill, tailor.
cheers John
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Next I have some wills for you to unravel relationships....
Will ABP/W 1743/12 of William Harding of Stanford, Southill dated 8 Apr 1742 who was buried 10 Apr 1743
... to my daughter Ann Gibson
... to Mary Right
... to son in law Thomas Dunton
... to Ruth Cranfield, widow
subject to payment of £10.... unto Gravely Oment, William Oment, Thomas Oment, my three grandsons (**)
Thomas Dunton was sole executor
Witnessed by John Woodham, Benning Woodham & Elizabeth Blane
Thomas Dunton, labourer married Elizabeth Hardin/Harden at Southill on 25 Aug 1715
William Cranfield married Ruth Hardin at Southill on 4 Oct 1716
Interesting that Thomas Harrodine's daughter in law Margaret Harradine (widow of John) married Gaveley UMMONT in 1692 & that they had children baptised at Campton, Gravely 7 May 1693 & Thomas 1 Dec 1695.
(**) maybe? found Southill baptisms 18 Nov 1716 Gravely, 5 May 1718 William & 1 Jan 1720/21 Thomas children of Gravely & Sarah Hummet/Ummit (although the 3rd one has mother Elizabeth?) plus the LDS marriage of Gravely Ormond to Sarah Hardin on 5 July 1716 at Haynes; so Sarah is daughter of this William. Gravely & Sarah subsequently had son John in 1725 but he was buried 18 months later. Sarah wife of Gravely Ummit was buried 16 Oct 1726
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Will ref ABP/W 1674-5/145 of Steven Harrowden/Harradine of Moggerhanger buried there as Stephen Harding on 30 Jan 1674-75...
Dated 27 Jan 1674/75 - this was not a formal will but a memoradum written & signed by Thomas Harroden stating that Stephen Harradon, late of Moggerhanger gives unto...
... his son William & wife and all the grandchildren...
... his wife Joane....
... his son Robert....
Wife J(o)ane & son Robert were joint executors
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Will ref ABP/W 1690-1/54 of Robert Harding of Moggerhanger, dairyman who was buried there on 19 Jan 1690-91 as Robert Harraden......
Dated 15 Jan 1690 I Robert Harding give & bequeath to....
.... my daughter Sarah Harding
.... my daughter Mary Harding
.... my daughter Ann Harding
All get £5 to paid when they reach the age of 21 plus they get "all my linnen equally divided"
.... my son Stephen Harding
.... & appoint William Harding of Moggerhanger the executor
Witnesses Ralph Bromsall & Thomas Gilbert
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Admon ref ABP/A 1712/1 of Mathew Harding of Mogerhanger, carpenter buried there on 19 Jun 1712 as Matthew Harden
Dated October 1712 ... We Richard Turner of Blunham, bricklayer & William Thomas, Overseers of the Poor of Blunham.... will be administrators of the goods of Matthew Harding of Moggerhanger, carpenter..... for the benefit of Richard Harding, William Harding, Ann Harding ....who are the natural & lawful children of the said Matthew Harding...
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Thanks John, that gives me a lot of work to catch up on. Been off line since 7.30 a.m. on Tuesday when the computer stopped connecting to the internet. Now in for repair which won't be ready for 2 weeks. I can't survive that long without the internet so I've bought a new laptop this afternoon (my old one which I rarely use moving even slower than I do) but being a French one it's got a French azerty keyboqrd rather than our qwerty boqrd which slows me down considerably, and also meqns that I often hit q for a !
Be back later when I've caught up a bit
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Admon ref ABP/A 1712/1 of Mathew Harding of Mogerhanger, carpenter buried there on 19 Jun 1712 as Matthew Harden
Dated October 1712 ... We Richard Turner of Blunham, bricklayer & William Thomas, Overseers of the Poor of Blunham.... will be administrators of the goods of Matthew Harding of Moggerhanger, carpenter..... for the benefit of Richard Harding, William Harding, Ann Harding ....who are the natural & lawful children of the said Matthew Harding...
Well, that certainly makes clear that the 1744 burial in Potton wasn't the right Matthew. The three children named were the three surviving children that I show for Matthew and Eleanor. But why no mention of daughter Mary bap 1708 in Blunham by his second wife? Or was she the daughter of another Matthew Harradine in Blunham?
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Will ref ABP/W 1690-1/54 of Robert Harding of Moggerhanger, dairyman who was buried there on 19 Jan 1690-91 as Robert Harraden......
Dated 15 Jan 1690 I Robert Harding give & bequeath to....
.... my daughter Sarah Harding
.... my daughter Mary Harding
.... my daughter Ann Harding
All get £5 to paid when they reach the age of 21 plus they get "all my linnen equally divided"
.... my son Stephen Harding
.... & appoint William Harding of Moggerhanger the executor
Witnesses Ralph Bromsall & Thomas Gilbert
Two more daughters whose baptisms are doubtless recorded in a different variation.
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Next I have some wills for you to unravel relationships....
Will ABP/W 1743/12 of William Harding of Stanford, Southill dated 8 Apr 1742 who was buried 10 Apr 1743
... to my daughter Ann Gibson
... to Mary Right
... to son in law Thomas Dunton
... to Ruth Cranfield, widow
subject to payment of £10.... unto Gravely Oment, William Oment, Thomas Oment, my three grandsons (**)
Thomas Dunton was sole executor
Witnessed by John Woodham, Benning Woodham & Elizabeth Blane
Thomas Dunton, labourer married Elizabeth Hardin/Harden at Southill on 25 Aug 1715
William Cranfield married Ruth Hardin at Southill on 4 Oct 1716
Interesting that Thomas Harrodine's daughter in law Margaret Harradine (widow of John) married Gaveley UMMONT in 1692 & that they had children baptised at Campton, Gravely 7 May 1693 & Thomas 1 Dec 1695.
(**) maybe? found Southill baptisms 18 Nov 1716 Gravely, 5 May 1718 William & 1 Jan 1720/21 Thomas children of Gravely & Sarah Hummet/Ummit (although the 3rd one has mother Elizabeth?) plus the LDS marriage of Gravely Ormond to Sarah Hardin on 5 July 1716 at Haynes***; so Sarah is daughter of this William. Gravely & Sarah subsequently had son John in 1725 but he was buried 18 months later. Sarah wife of Gravely Ummit was buried 16 Oct 1726
This is very interesting, John, as Elizabeth Hardin is my 6 x g grandmother via my Dunton line, and I'd never got anywhere tracing her. Looks as though you've cracked it for me! The Duntons were big non-conformists in Southill, being members of the Baptist church there. And I suspect that this particular Harding/Harradine family may have been non-conformist too!
Thanks very much.
David
*** Sarah Hardin of Warden per PR transcript
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This is very interesting, John, as Elizabeth Hardin is my 6 x g grandmother via my Dunton line, and I'd never got anywhere tracing her. Looks as though you've cracked it for me! The Duntons were big non-conformists in Southill, being members of the Baptist church there. And I suspect that this particular Harding/Harradine family may have been non-conformist too!
*** Sarah Hardin of Warden per PR transcript
David, Is this Elizabeth (who married Thomas Dunton in 1715) the daughter of William & Ruth Harden baptised at Langford on 8 Feb 1690-91. Her sister Sarah (who married Gravely Ormond at Haynes in 1716) was baptised there 22 Jul 1689. Her other sister Ruth (who married William Cranfield in 1716) was also baptised there 22 Jan 1692-93. They also baptised son Eustace 13 Jan 1694-95. However I haven't found baptism of daughter Ann or a marriage of her to a Mr Gibson ?
Ruth wife of William Harding is buried 30 Jan 1696-97 at Langford.
William CAINFEILD was buried at Langford on 24 Dec 1737; a few years after that on 1 Sept 1743 a Ruth Cranfield (but it don't say she's a widow) married George Batterson at Langford. Ruth Batterson was buried at Southill on 12 Feb 1764 and George Batterson/Battison buried there on 20 Oct 1780 or 26 May 1782 (there's 2 burials but don't know which)
I've not found a marriage of William Harding to Ruth ?
Some more info for you to work on
cheers John
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Many thanks John. I don't think there's much doubt that this is the right family. Langford parish register is missing up to 1717 as are the BTs from 1641-59, 1665 & 1667-9, but fortunately there's a baptism of William Harden on 8 Mar 1666/7 son of Eustace and Ann which coupled with the baptism of his son Eustace persuades me that this is the right William.
The BT for 1688 is also missing and this is the year when William and Ruth are likely to have married given the baptism of their first known child in July 1689. And with the gaps in the BTs at the time Ruth would have been baptised I have a feeling that her maiden name is probably lost for posterity.
I'm having the same problem with Ann (Gibson) - she could have been born in 1688 where the BT is missing but I can't see why her marriage to Mr Gibson is also missing.
Thanks again
David
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I'm having the same problem with Ann (Gibson) - she could have been born in 1688 where the BT is missing but I can't see why her marriage to Mr Gibson is also missing.
Langford has a baptism on 25 Dec 1701 of Hannah daughter of William & Elizabeth Harding. Could William have remarried after Ruth died & this is daughter Ann ?
** interesting - just seen on FamilySearch baptism at Langford on 2 Oct 1698 of Ann daughter of William & Elizabeth HARDEN, sure it's not in the PR
*** later ...yes it is, must have missed it
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Good thinking John. William and Elizabeth also baptised Ann in 1698, which would fit with a remarriage of William after Ruth's death. But I can't find a marriage of William to Elizabeth. Nor of Ann's marriage to Mr Gibson before 1742. Nor of any Gibson baptisms that fit between 1700 and 1750.
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Morning - different storyline - more on the Harradine alias Bartle family
From Wrestlingworth PR
Marriage 12 May 1735 Thomas Bartle & Ruth Peel
Baptisms 15 Apr 1737 Ruth daughter of Thomas & Ruth Bartle
24 Jun 1744 Mary daughter of Thomas & Ruth Bartle
10 Sept 1749 William son of Thomas & Ruth Bartle alias Harridine
There's also a marriage on 11 Feb 1745/46 of William Harridine to Mary Game
From Eyeworth PR
Baptism 27 Feb 1731/32 Mary Conder daughter of Mary Harradine alias Bartell (illeg)
Burial 30 Jan 1720/21 Thomas Harradine alias Bartell, labourer
From Cockayne Hatley PR
Marriages 2 Oct 1750 Thomas Harrodine of Eyeworth to Sarah Harrodine of Shingay, Cambs
13 Mar 1742/43 Thomas Piggot of Guilden Morden, Cambs to Mary Harradine
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Thanks for these JOhn. What's intriguing, and frustrating, me is where and when the alias Bartle came into the Harradine equation;
The 1690 will of Thomas Harradine that you found links back to a 1667 property transaction in which he's described as Harrowden alias Bartle. In his will he also refers to a cousin in Guilden Morden. The earliest reference to Harradine also being known as Bartle in Guilden Morden is the baptism of Edmond Bartle in 1639, whose siblings were all Harradine or something similar. So Bartle must have come from an earlier generation.
So there's Thomas in Southill, married in 1650 so born probably before 1630, and Richard, father of Edmond in Guilden Morden. Richard married in 1625 so was probably born 1600-1605ish. He had a son Thomas in 1631 but he appears to have stayed in Guilden Morden, so I don't think he was the Southill Thomas. But still worth a bit of digging.
Bank holiday here today (how can you have a bank holiday on a Saturday?) so just about everywhere is closed. But I need to check if the market is open, so the Harradines will have to wait until after lunch!
Bon weekend
David
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Morning, Bank holiday ? what for All Saints Day, them frenchies do have a lot of religious holidays
Anyway the Harrodine alias Bartle scenario also stretches into Dunton
From Dunton PR
Baptisms 16 Aug 1719 Mary daughter of Sarah & Elizabeth Haradine alias Bartell
18 Mar 1721 Elizabeth daughter of Samuel & Elizabeth Haradine alias Bartell
28 Sept 1729 George son of Samuel & Elizabeth Haradine alias Bartell
Marriages 7 Dec 1654 Thomas Green(e) & Avery/Abre(e) Bartle or Harradine/Harradene
21 Sept 1718 Samuel Harradine alias Bartell & Elizabeth Fisher
21 Sept 1733 John Goodman & Ann Bartell
Burials 24 Oct 1729 George son of Samuel & Elizabeth Haradine
10 Jan 1744/45 Elizabeth wife of Samuel Harrowdine
There's a number of baptisms, marriages, burials at Dunton of Harradine/Harrowdine names up to 1812. If you want them let me know.
Meanwhile send me a PM with your email address (to confirm what I have) as I've just had an email from Cambs FHS that they published in 1996 about the Harradine alias Bartle in the Mordens
Off to town now as its a lovely day for November.
Going to a beer festival this evening in the Swan Hotel
Cheers John
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Hi John
Steeple Morden & Cockayne Hatley, Cambs, Ashwell and Hinxworth, Herts, Wrestlingworth, Dunton, Eyeworth, Beds, are all within a 3 mile radius of Guilden Morden which is where the earliest Harradines in this part of the three counties were from. There were earlier Richard Harradines in Southill in the 1500s though, so I think this is probably where the GM branch originated with Richard.
Too hot to be outside, so staying in looking for dead people!
Enjoy the beer festival.
David
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Talking of Hinxworth.... I found in the Banns at Dunton dated 20 Dec 1789 for marriage of Thomas Upton to Ann Harradine of Hinxworth.
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I hesitate to intrude here, because you two are obviously having a grand old time trying to fit together the pieces of the Harradine family jigsaw (and what a complex old thing it is!!)
I just thought I'd mention that "my" Mary Harradine married Richard Richardson in Potton on 29 March 1790; they lived in Potton and their children were Richard Richardson (baptised 25 October 1730), Mary Richardson (baptised 11 February 1732/3), Hannah Richardson (baptised 23 March 1734/5), William Richardson (baptised 8 January 1737/8) and Elizabeth Richardson (baptised 23 May 1740 ).
Richard Richardson was a basketmaker, and was buried on 23 January 1779.
I have not yet made a positive identification of the correct burial record for Mary Richardson. There are three candidates, on 20 May 1754, 1 January 1755, and 6 December 1758.
I mention this just in case any of the documents you uncover mention any of these additional names and so enable an otherwise uncertain link to be established; or in case they give some additional information which helps to resolve which of the burials is "my" Mary Richardson e.g. by proving she was still living in 1756.
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20 May 1754 wife of John
1 Jan 1755 wife of Richard
6 Dec 1758 No extra detail
per PR transcript
Oh that all Harradine queries were that easy to resolve!
Unfortunately I don't think we got very far in firmly establishing the parents of your Mary Harradine, but something may come out of the woodwork! Been working on the Guilden Morden branch all week, but can't say, yet, that I've discovered the link to Southill. Doesn't help that Guilden Morden didn't register baptisms or burials from 1641-48, or marriages from 1641-58. And where the three brothers? Harradine who pitched up in GM in the mid 1620s came from I haven't a clue. You'd have thought that a Marmaduke should be easy to trace, but he isn't! All three started using the "or Bartle" name in the mid 1630s, or simply used the name Bartle.
A very frustrating family!
David
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Talking of Hinxworth.... I found in the Banns at Dunton dated 20 Dec 1789 for marriage of Thomas Upton to Ann Harradine of Hinxworth.
Found on the names database at Herts Archives online .....
http://www.hertsdirect.org/services/leisculture/heritage1/hals/indexes/
Marriage by Banns, Thomas Upton of Dunton to Ann Bartle at Hinxworth in 1790
So Harradine in one place & Bartle in the other !
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It's the same with baptisms. Harradine in the parish register, Bartle in the BT.
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20 May 1754 wife of John
1 Jan 1755 wife of Richard
6 Dec 1758 No extra detail
per PR transcript
Oh that all Harradine queries were that easy to resolve!
Ooooh - thanks for that. That's one fewer unresolved query ...