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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: audbr on Monday 20 October 14 18:24 BST (UK)
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Hi Can anybody help,
I have the following piece of information:
Siobhán Bn Uí Áiligh (Jude Mháirtín Bheartln, Uaigh 196) agus a mac Pádraig, An t-Athair Pádraig Ó hÁiligh S. P. Carna.
Is Áiligh an Irish surname? I cannot find any records for it!
Many thanks in anticipation of your help
Regards
Brian
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Well, the Irish looks authentic, but I don't know what the Anglicised version would be!
Awley? Ayley? ... Hayley?
I'll investigate ...
eadaoin
edit: Healy?
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Hi eadaoin,
Thanks for your comment. It has been suggested to me that Áiligh is an Irish surname which has been Anglicised to Audley or Adley.
What I am trying to identify is: if the origin of the Audley Surname in Ireland is different from the origin in England. In England the Audley surname originates from the village of Audley in Staffordshire
I have tried to search for the surname Áiligh in websites such as familysearch and rootsireland, but get no results. I would have thought that if Áiligh was a surname there would be references to it in Parish Records.
Thanks for your help
Regards
Brian
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http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlkik/ihm/irenames.htm
Does not seem to be Healy according to this list
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Hi Conahy calling,
Thanks for the link to the list of Gaelic surnames: but I cannot see Áiligh anywhere on the list, am I missing something?
Regards
Brian
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Hi Brian
I did not find it on the link either. I just put up the link to show what Healy was in Irish. Eadaoin had wondered if "Ailigh" was possibly Healy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grianan_of_Aileach Could it be "ELY"?
Conahy
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Could it be Ely?
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This school should know
http://colaisteailigh.com/
If someone can figure out if there is a contact email link on that site.
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OH suggested CAWLEY.
Do you know when/where that burial was, or when Pádraig was Parish Priest in Carna?
eadaoin
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https://www.google.com/search?q=surname+ailigh&gws_rd=ssl
On this link check 6th one ..suggesting it could be "Daley"
Added Link is for first names but gives Dailigh "A transferred surname that means meeting, other form Daley.
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Is that not Dailigh?
It looks as though Carna is in Moyrush civil parish. There are Healy, Higgins and Adley in Griffiths Valuation :-\
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A Patrick Audley of Carna mentioned here
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/soc.genealogy.ireland/1k7H9h8JM58
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A Patrick Audley of Carna mentioned here
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/soc.genealogy.ireland/1k7H9h8JM58
Excellent :)
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Hi to All,
Many thanks for all your suggestions.
The Grave is in Galway and the inscription on the grave is in English and States:
In Memory
of
Pat Audley
1894 - 1977
His wife Julia
1907 - 1944
R.I.P.
My interpretation of the Irish script and the above Memorial is that Áiligh is an Irish surname that has been anglicised to Audley. The problem I have is that when I search websites for the name Áiligh I get no results. If Áiligh was an Irish Surname I would have thought that a general search of a website containing parish records (e.g. rootsireland) should have shown up at least one entry; hence my concern; is Áiligh an Irish surname?
I have read that Woulfe suggests that 'Ó h-Ádhlaigh' is an Irish name that has been anglicised to Audley.
Who was Woulfe? and if I want to search for Ó h-Ádhlaigh on say Rootsireland do I search for Ohadhlaigh or Adhlaigh.
Please note I am English so cannot read the Irish script on my first message.
Conahy calling gives a link to Grianan of Aileach which I have also seen a Grianan of Ailigh (in Donnegal) but there is no indication that Ailigh is also a surname.
Sinann gives a link to something called 'Colaisle Ailigh' Unfortunately the website appears to be in Irish which I cannot read so I do not see how I can e-mail them and ask for the meaning of their name.
Thanks to all for your help. I never thought my initial question would create such a response.
Regards
Brian Audley
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Coláiste Ailigh is a school. Its website says that Ailigh refers to an old Irish kingdom. If you have dates for the priest, I might be able to track down info about him.
Irish language spelling wasn't standardised until the 1950s (I think) or so. Words and names can be spelled any which way before then, and probably after then as well.
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It may be that the surname Audley has no Irish equivalent so someone invented a spelling.
With my limited Irish, I have been saying Awley which is a bit like the Cawley suggested earlier by eadaoin. Then I thought about Hawley :-\
However, as I said, the operation may be the opposite i.e. English to Irish translation rather than the opposite.
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It may be that the surname Audley has no Irish equivalent so someone invented a spelling.
I think this is probably correct .. that it's an English surname, and an Irish equivalent was "invented".
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Also, even though people might have been known by an Irish language spelling of their name, the English language spelling is probably used in parish records.
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Here is the Woulfe reference https://archive.org/details/irishnamessurnam00woul
I used the 'read online' option and pg 101 has the 'Ó h-Ádhlaigh name as Addly, or Addley. The book uses the old style, I think and perhaps our Irish readers will be able to elaborate.
To me it seems just a phonetic translation of the letters there.
If the grave inscription is in English, where did the Irish text come from?
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From distant memories of well slapped leather beaten hands from the De La Salle Brothers in the 60s i think some of the Irish transcription is Father Patrick Audley S P , MAC OR son of Siobhan Audley dont know what the other words are ,but English alternatives for Siobhan seem to be Joan or Judith.
http://www.namenerds.com/irish/trans.html
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Hi All,
Thanks for all your replies to my original message I have still to follow some of them up.
I think my comments have perhaps pointed you in the wrong direction. Father Patrick Audley is not the way to proceed as I already know a lot of information about him.
My surname is Audley, I know my ancestors back about 250 years and there is no link with Ireland.
The Audley surname appears, to me, to have originated from the name of the village of Audley in Staffordshire England.
I then discover that in the Connemara region of Galway there is a significant number of people with the surname Audley or Adley. The surnames Audley and Adley appear interchangeable in Connemara. A similar linking of the Audley and Adley surnames also took place in the county of Cheshire in England.
So my question is: How did the Audley surname get from England to Connemara? To me it seems unlikely that someone from England with the surname Audley would emigrate to some remote islands off the southern coast of Connemara an area that people living there now tell me in the 1800s was probably the poorest region of all Ireland and mainly Gaelic speaking area.
To me it seems more likely that the inhabitants had their own Irish Surname and following the 'union' with England and the pressure to record events in English the original Irish surname became corrupted (anglicised) to Audley and Adley. If this latter case is true there should be records somewhere of the original Surname. If anything Audley and Adley are the made up names.
I do know that the Barons Audley moved from Staffordshire England and became Earls of Castlehaven (somewhere in Cork) and Barons of Orier (I believe somewhere in Antrim?). There is also a Audleys Castle and ann Audleystown Cairn near Strangford in County Down.
So why are there a lot of prople with the Audley surname that lived in Connemara?
The monumental inscription in English has been taken from a book that lists all the monumental inscriptions in a cemetery on Lettermullan Island (some of the recorded inscriptions are in English and others in Irish. Also included in the book is a photograph of baby in his mothers arms. The baby is Patrick Audley and his mother is the Julia Audley died 1944 and recorded on the monumental inscription
Regards
Brian Audley
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Have you contacted the library in Galway?
Is this right- your connection is not to Connemara but as an Audley you are curious about your surname occurring in that discrete area?
I have no idea and am not an Irish history scholar. However, theoretically, the name may have begun there with the arrival of just one person. :)
You question people 'emigrating' to remote islands but the flow of human traffic between England and Ireland was happening for a very long time - either willingly or unwillingly.
Searching for any historical references, there are references to the O Cadhlas but that wouldn't be pronounced with the 'd'' sound - I am trying to see a corruption of 'Cadhla' to 'Adley' but the name is recorded as O Kealey and perhaps Kaley/Kiley.
I hope you get an answer- it's interesting. One of my family names is Malley. Some people have O'Malley in the family, others Malley. The Irish is Maille and other members call themselves Malia - with a long 'a'. This is from a very small area where all are closely related.
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I think it's difficult to be definitive about where a name might have come from without doing a fair bit of research. As heywood has said, there is a long history of movement between Ireland and Britain. There's no saying that someone may have moved to Ireland to work, for instance, or if an English person might have received a grant of land, and these Audley are descendants. The thing with Irish RC records is that they only go back so far. If these Galway Audleys converted from a different religion, or if they are a 'minor' branch or 'illegitimate' branch of a more important family, these things would take a bit of research to find out. The census also throws up Audleys in other parts of Ireland. Again, there has to be a question mark over if and how these families are connected. I don't know about there being pressure to record events / names in English after the Act of Union. Is there evidence for this?
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Hi Heywood & Sonas,
Many thanks for both of your last comments
I am in contact with someone in Galway, who has been looking at a number of books in the library in Galway.
Correct I personally have no ancestors that come from Galway but on my website www.audleyfamilyhistory.com I have the details of approximately 20 separate branches of the Audley family, the information has been submitted by numerous people. To me as website coordinator the Galway branch of the Audley family seems much larger than I would have expected for an English Origin surname.
I agree that a fair bit of research will be required but I find this sort of research interesting. Whilst I am in contact with a number of people who are related to the Audley Family of Galway, I do find that the respondents to messages on Rootschat provide a wider prospective than family members.
I suppose that DNA testing may prove interesting. I already have the DNA profiles of three English branches of the Audley Family and a potential target in the USA who is part of the Audley of Galway Family
Many thanks to all for their prospective on the Origin of the Audley surname in Galway
Regards
Brian Audley
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Just for info, Griffiths Valuation shows Audley's mainly in Galway, Kilkenny and Roscommon:
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&familyname=audley&firstname=&offset=0&countyname=&parishname=&unionname=&baronyname=&totalrows=38&PlaceID=0&wildcard=