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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Donegal => Topic started by: Andyw65 on Saturday 25 October 14 11:49 BST (UK)
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I have so little to go on that my appeal for help is a very long shot, but here's hoping that someone can at least point me in the right direction.
My great, great grandfather was William Carolan and is shown in the 1851 census as a lodger in Edinburgh as a 'carpet shoe maker'. He is also shown as being born in 1825 in Donegal, Ireland - though it doesn't specify whether it's county or town Donegal.
In following census entries his children's surname has been corrupted to Carlin. My Great Grandfather was known as Charles Carlin Cockburn (his widowed mother married a William Cockburn) and eventually Charles dropped the Carlin and was known as Cockburn, my maiden name.
I have carried out several searches but can only find him in Scotland. Could someone tell me how to find him, or his parents, in Ireland please. And if William was a shoe maker is it likely that his father was also a shoe maker?
I'd be very grateful for any help - thank you
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Some info from Family search about a William Corolan in Donegal not sure if he's yours or not ???
Name: William Carolan
Event Type: Probate
Event Date: 08 May 1886
Event Place: Donegal
Beneficiary's Name: Edward M'Elwaine
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Some info from Family search about a William Corolan in Donegal not sure if he's yours or not ???
Name: William Carolan
Event Type: Probate
Event Date: 08 May 1886
Event Place: Donegal
Beneficiary's Name: Edward M'Elwaine
That William Carolan born c1832- https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FTWN-9WL
Andy- have you searched for a death certificate in Scotland for your William Carolan? Have you birth certificates for any of his children born in Scotland? (they should show names of both parents and possible date and place of marriage so you would know where to start looking for a marriage certificate)
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have a look on this site
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegal
the name can be spelt: Carolin and Carrolin
on the griffin valuation 1857 Carolin list under Kiteevoge (on the donegal site)
also when you go on this site come down the page and type in your surname/or shoe makers
also this site might be able to help you.
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Some info from Family search about a William Corolan in Donegal not sure if he's yours or not ???
Name: William Carolan
Event Type: Probate
Event Date: 08 May 1886
Event Place: Donegal
Beneficiary's Name: Edward M'Elwaine
That William Carolan born c1832- https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FTWN-9WL
Andy- have you searched for a death certificate in Scotland for your William Carolan? Have you birth certificates for any of his children born in Scotland? (they should show names of both parents and possible date and place of marriage so you would know where to start looking for a marriage certificate)
Hello - yes, I have quite a lot of info about him, that I should perhaps have included in my original post. He was a lodger in Edinburgh in 1851; on 17 feb 1856 he married Mary Laurie (or Lawrie) (no certificate to authenticate): his first sone William was born 1856; his second son Charles (my great grandfather) was born 1858. Because of other children born and the date of his widow's remarriage he must have died between 1864 and 1867.
I would be grateful if you could tell me where I could find, or search for, copies of birth and marriage and death certificates in Scotland please as I haven't a clue :(
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Some info from Family search about a William Corolan in Donegal not sure if he's yours or not ???
Name: William Carolan
Event Type: Probate
Event Date: 08 May 1886
Event Place: Donegal
Beneficiary's Name: Edward M'Elwaine
Thanks for the suggestion - it's much appreciated, but he isn't my Carolan :(
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have a look on this site
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegal
the name can be spelt: Carolin and Carrolin
on the griffin valuation 1857 Carolin list under Kiteevoge (on the donegal site)
also when you go on this site come down the page and type in your surname/or shoe makers
also this site might be able to help you.
Many thanks for the suggestions and link, but (showing my beginner status :() i can't find the search facility for surname or shoemaker. I'll keep searching though.
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I would be grateful if you could tell me where I could find, or search for, copies of birth and marriage and death certificates in Scotland please as I haven't a clue :(
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
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Don't be afraid to ask lots of questions- we were all beginners once and new resources are constantly coming online :)
For Scottish certificates you need to go to www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, register (free) then start searching. If you find an item you wish to view you'll need to purchase credits. Lots of helpful information there and there's a topic here on Rootschat with lots of hints-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=562668.0
Also check out stickied topics on the SCOTLAND GENERAL (scroll down under the county listings)-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?board=84.0
There's also lots of links here under SCOTLAND RESOURCES (and the individual county boards also have lots of links)- http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?board=367.0
And now, if you aren't totally overwhelmed...
1856 marriage records give full name, age, marital status, occupation, usual residence, date and place of marriage, name and occupation of father, name and maiden name of mother, and names of witnesses and the officiating clergy.
1856 birth records - child (date, place and time of birth, full name, sex), the parents' names (including maiden surname of mother), father's occupation, name of informant and relationship to child. Unfortunately it wasn't until 1861 that parents' date & place of marriage was re-instated (as on births in 1855)
details included on death certificates-
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/Content/Help/index.aspx?r=554&404
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I would be grateful if you could tell me where I could find, or search for, copies of birth and marriage and death certificates in Scotland please as I haven't a clue :(
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
Thank you Elwin - off to check it out now :)
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Don't be afraid to ask lots of questions- we were all beginners once and new resources are constantly coming online :)
For Scottish certificates you need to go to www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, register (free) then start searching. If you find an item you wish to view you'll need to purchase credits. Lots of helpful information there and there's a topic here on Rootschat with lots of hints-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=562668.0
Also check out stickied topics on the SCOTLAND GENERAL (scroll down under the county listings)-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?board=84.0
There's also lots of links here under SCOTLAND RESOURCES (and the individual county boards also have lots of links)- http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?board=367.0
And now, if you aren't totally overwhelmed...
1856 marriage records give full name, age, marital status, occupation, usual residence, date and place of marriage, name and occupation of father, name and maiden name of mother, and names of witnesses and the officiating clergy.
1856 birth records - child (date, place and time of birth, full name, sex), the parents' names (including maiden surname of mother), father's occupation, name of informant and relationship to child. Unfortunately it wasn't until 1861 that parents' date & place of marriage was re-instated (as on births in 1855)
details included on death certificates-
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/Content/Help/index.aspx?r=554&404
Adhagdowey - brilliant set of links thank you. I'll grab my credit card and get searching now :)
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Don't rush, just take you time using different searches before using any credits :)
For reference-
Marriage (1856): https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYMV-BMD
Children:
Charles (1856) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQ54-D61
Mary Ann (1858) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQHR-ZF8
William (1859) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQ53-R6P
Hugh (1861) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F74G-LYD
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Don't rush, just take you time using different searches before using any credits :)
For reference-
Marriage (1856): https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYMV-BMD
Children:
Charles (1856) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQ54-D61
Mary Ann (1858) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQHR-ZF8
William (1859) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQ53-R6P
Hugh (1861) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F74G-LYD
Once again, thank you very much aghadowey. Scotlandspeople was a mine of information, some of which contradicted Find my Past's census info. Hey, the detective work continues :)
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when you go on to the site I gave you the donegal site if you come down the page to a green box with a heading Search this website then below that is a box and it says Google Custom Search that is were you put your surname, townland, shoemakers.etc.
If you come down the page of the left hand side you will see Kiteevoge (click on this)
Carolan mention in this parish.
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when you go on to the site I gave you the donegal site if you come down the page to a green box with a heading Search this website then below that is a box and it says Google Custom Search that is were you put your surname, townland, shoemakers.etc.
If you come down the page of the left hand side you will see Kiteevoge (click on this)
Carolan mention in this parish.
Thank you for talking me through it and my apologies for being so dense :-[
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you are not Dense, I am used to that sit. also if you type in that box - Slaters 1846 Directory
Carolan, Carlin and Cockburn or mentioned.
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you are not Dense, I am used to that sit. also if you type in that box - Slaters 1846 Directory
Carolan, Carlin and Cockburn or mentioned.
Thank you once again Rathmore - I followed your directions, found the box and the mention of Carolan in the Kiteevoge area :)
Now I'll try the Slaters directory, but I'm beginning to think that there are far too many Carolans without a bit more information. If only I could find his death certificate it might give me a few more clues, but I can't even find that :( Though I know he died in Scotland.
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you are not Dense, I am used to that sit. also if you type in that box - Slaters 1846 Directory
Carolan, Carlin and Cockburn or mentioned.
Thank you once again Rathmore - I followed your directions, found the box and the mention of Carolan in the Kiteevoge area :)
Now I'll try the Slaters directory, but I'm beginning to think that there are far too many Carolans without a bit more information. If only I could find his death certificate it might give me a few more clues, but I can't even find that :( Though I know he died in Scotland.
Hi Andy
I haven't done any family history research for some time, but on tidying up my filing I came across your post to me dated 9th November 2014. I just wondered if you had got any further with tracing William Carolan in Ireland. As I may have told you, I went to Donegal to a Family History Centre, but they could find no trace of him.
Hope you had more luck.
Regards
Lilibet
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find my past
http://findmypast.co.uk
William Carolan born 1825 Ireland shoe maker lodger at 28 Fountain Close High Street Edinburgh, Midlothian, John Duffie shoe maker, carpet, employing 10 men. (same address)
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Hi Lilibet,
No, I haven't found his birth record - so no further on I'm afraid.
On his death record it shows his father as Charles Carolan born circa 1800 (a 'dealer in ????? Goods) and his mother as Susan, nee Marley. It was William's brother Hugh who registered William's death and he was shown as living in Glasgow. I think trying to follow up Hugh will be my next task and see if I can track him down.
If I do find out more, I'll let you know.
Kind regards
Andy
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find my past
http://findmypast.co.uk
William Carolan born 1825 Ireland shoe maker lodger at 28 Fountain Close High Street Edinburgh, Midlothian, John Duffie shoe maker, carpet, employing 10 men. (same address)
Once again Rathmore, I owe you my thanks.
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Hi Andy
Thanks for coming back to me. On my copy of Wiliam's death it shows the name as Carlon. Could his father have been a dealer in 'soft' goods? I haven't got any information on Hugh at all.
Lilibet
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Hi Lillibet
Yes - that looks like the same one that I have. I was wondering what his father was a dealer in - I thought it was 'left goods' which made me think he was perhaps some sort of pawn broker???
I have found a Hugh Carlon on the 1851 census living with his wife Anne in Canongate Edinburgh as a victualler. On William's death certificate he is shown as living at 5 Steel Street, Glasgow. I haven't yet found him on the 1861 census, but in 1871 he is back in Burnets Close, Canongate, Edinburgh where he is living with his wife 'Catherine', six children between the ages of one and eighteen, plus a servant, and he is shown as a furniture dealer.
Are they one and the same Hugh Carlon? I have no idea until I do some more searching for the 1861 census and/or death of Anne, the wife shown on the 1851 census. I know ages can be misleading, but the 1851 census shows him as 28 and Anne 35 (!) and 47 on the 1871 census.
I feel some more detective work coming on!
But what an intriguing story?
Andy
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Hi Andy
Thanks for the info on Hugh. I will see what I can find too and let you know if I come up with anything.
Regards
Lilibet
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Thanks Lillibet
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Hi Andy
I have found Hugh CARLIN in the 1861 census with wife Catherine, daughters Catherine, Mary Ann, Ellen and a servant Margaret Reilly.
I haven't been able to find a death for wife Ann Carlon, but I have found a marriage of Hugh to a Cathrine Kerr, in Edinburgh on 27th September 1855. No way of knowing if this is our Hugh's Catherine though. Can't find a likely birth for her in Midlothian.
I'll keep digging.
Regards
Lilibet