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Title: Birch family
Post by: wiilams83 on Sunday 26 October 14 12:36 GMT (UK)
I need help yesterday I went to the Shropshire Archieve where I discoverd the grave of a john birch who died aged 92 at Wellington. He is buried at Dawley and the record says grave re open. I know john birch was born in Cannnock Staffordshire in 1875 but later in 1891 he is living with is parents at Dawely Magna with john senior and Margaret birch. I can't find a marriage or him living anther after 1891. 
Title: Re: Birch family
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 26 October 14 12:46 GMT (UK)
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who died aged 92 at Wellington

Presumably the one who died in 1967 - no year of death given above

Does his death cert show who reported his death?
Title: Re: Birch family
Post by: groom on Sunday 26 October 14 12:48 GMT (UK)
1901  RG13; Piece: 2524; Folio: 21; Page: 13
Dawley Magna   Shropshire

John Birch   25     Coalminer Timber setter    Cannock, Staffordshire
Eliza Birch   24                                            Dawley, Shropshire
Elsie Birch   1                                              Dawley, Shropshire
Alice Birch   2 Days                                      Dawley, Shropshire


Title: Re: Birch family
Post by: groom on Sunday 26 October 14 12:50 GMT (UK)
Possible marriage

Marriages Jun 1898   
Birch    John        Madeley             6a   1263      
Tudor    Eliza        Madeley    6a   1263   

Madeley includes Dawley
Title: Re: Birch family
Post by: wiilams83 on Sunday 26 October 14 14:03 GMT (UK)
I don't have his death record only buiral
Title: Re: Birch family
Post by: groom on Sunday 26 October 14 14:26 GMT (UK)
Here is his death

JOHN BIRCH
Birth year   1875
Age   92
Death quarter   4
Death year   1967
Wellington  Shropshire
Volume   9A  Page   264
Title: Re: Birch family
Post by: wiilams83 on Sunday 26 October 14 14:38 GMT (UK)
What about his wife ???
Title: Re: Birch family
Post by: groom on Sunday 26 October 14 17:02 GMT (UK)
What about her?
The family can be found in the 1911 census with more children, but we are not allowed to give or ask for information from that census due to copyright.

The daughter Alice died aged 7

Deaths Jun 1908   
BIRCH    Alice    7    Madeley    6a   375
Title: Re: Birch family
Post by: wiilams83 on Sunday 26 October 14 17:13 GMT (UK)
That's a start thank you and I understand
Title: Re: Birch family
Post by: groom on Sunday 26 October 14 17:25 GMT (UK)
I cant find a death of an Eliza Birch which fits her age. There are quite a few of an Elizabeth Birch, but unless whoever registered her death didn't realise that she was actually Eliza, they probably aren't her.
Title: Re: Birch family
Post by: groom on Sunday 26 October 14 17:37 GMT (UK)
Two more children after 1911


Births Jun 1912   
Birch    Samuel    Tudor    Madeley    6a   1061    
 
Births Dec 1915   
BIRCH    Mary    Tudor    Madeley    6a   901
Title: Re: Birch family
Post by: wiilams83 on Sunday 26 October 14 18:14 GMT (UK)
Thank you I thinik its a huge family then
Title: Re: Birch family
Post by: groom on Sunday 26 October 14 18:48 GMT (UK)
At least 6 children that survived.
Title: Re: Birch family
Post by: wiilams83 on Sunday 26 October 14 18:54 GMT (UK)
Also john birchs brother samuel b 1877 Cannock living at Dawely Magna in 1891 what happened to him!
Title: Re: Birch family
Post by: groom on Sunday 26 October 14 19:31 GMT (UK)
Possible death

Samuel H Birch
Birth Date:   abt 1878
Mar 1961  Age at Death:   83
Cannock Staffordshire
Volume:   9b  Page:   158
Title: Re: Birch family
Post by: wiilams83 on Sunday 26 October 14 19:40 GMT (UK)
Is he with john in 1901/1911
Title: Re: Birch family
Post by: groom on Sunday 26 October 14 19:53 GMT (UK)
Problem is there are several Samuel Birches all born around the same time in that area. There is this one in 1901

RG13; Piece: 2663; Folio: 38; Page: 15  Cannock

Henry Dawson   43    coal miner                                 Penkridge, Staffordshire
Annie Dawson   36                                                    Shropshire
Beatrice Dawson    8                                                     Cannock, Staffordshire
Walter J Dawson 4                                                     Cannock, Staffordshire
Samuel Birch   23  boarder   coal miner                     Cannock, Staffordshire

Title: Re: Birch family
Post by: wiilams83 on Sunday 26 October 14 20:10 GMT (UK)
Oh I see
Title: Re: Birch family
Post by: wiilams83 on Sunday 26 October 14 20:14 GMT (UK)
There is a Samuel birch in 1911 with Sarah Ann married in 1904
Title: Re: Birch family
Post by: groom on Sunday 26 October 14 20:17 GMT (UK)
From Freebmd, that would be this one

Marriages Mar 1904   
Birch    Samuel                Cannock    6b   610      
Lomas  Sarah Ann            
 
Title: Re: Birch family
Post by: wiilams83 on Sunday 26 October 14 20:19 GMT (UK)
Wow thank you
Title: Re: Birch family
Post by: wiilams83 on Sunday 26 October 14 20:21 GMT (UK)
 Who is the girl then ie parents to her!
Title: Re: Birch family
Post by: groom on Sunday 26 October 14 20:32 GMT (UK)
A possible from 1901

RG13; Piece: 2663; Folio: 36; Page: 12  Cannock

Mary Lomas   60                                                        Dawley, Shropshire
Sarah A Lomas   23     dressmaker                                  Cannock, Staffordshire
Isaiah Lomas   19     coalminer                                     Cannock, Staffordshire
George E Lomas   14     dye sinker                                    Cannock, Staffordshire
Samuel Jones   24  boarder   coalminer                          Cannock, Staffordshire


Title: Re: Birch family
Post by: groom on Sunday 26 October 14 20:39 GMT (UK)
1881  West Chadsmoor Princess St Cannock
RG11; Piece: 2784; Folio: 9; Page: 14

Henry Lomas   39                                                              Dawley, Shropshire     
Mary Lomas   38                                                              Dawley, Shropshire
William Lomas   16                                                              Dawley, Shropshire
John Lomas   14                                                              Dawley, Shropshire
Ruben Lomas   12                                                              Dawley, Shropshire
Emily Lomas   8                                                                Dawley, Shropshire
Henry Lomas   5                                                                Cannock
Sarah A. Lomas   3                                                                Cannock
Samuel Lomas   1                                                                Cannock