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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wexford => Topic started by: dandenongs on Saturday 02 July 05 01:55 BST (UK)
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Hi all,
a friend recommended this site - here goes..
I'm researching John Loftus Shudall born circa 1790 - Wexford? and Ann Redmond born circa 1800 - they married circa 1830.
It appears John died prior to 1850 and Ann Shudall nee Redmond came to Australia with several of her children in the early-mid 1850's - settling in Melbourne.
thanks to everybody
Robert
in the Dandenong Ranges - Victoria Australia
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I fear I have little information for you but the name Shudall still existed in Wexford town up to a few years ago. The family had a sweet shop in Peter's Street.
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As far as I know the Shudalls were coastguards in the old days ,stationed at one stage in Duncormick . There is at least one of that family alive still ,living in the U.K.
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I am researching Redmonds from Wexford. Any relation to the Redmonds who had the fruit farms?
Erin ::)
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Shellback,
How do you know of the (Wexford) Shudall family in England? Do you have contact details for them?
A few of us have been researching the Wexford Shudalls for some years now so if they are in your line it would be good to have email contact with you.
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Hatslip, I have no family connection with the Shudalls. A late friend of mine was in contact with a Jackie Shudall who I think was the last of his generation still alive. I f i can find out any further details i will get back to you .
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Hi There,
shudall is mainly a protestant surname. Have you tried the wexford Church of Ireland Church St. Iberius, The Rector is Rev. Maria Jansson, The Rectory Spawell Road Wexford. There were Shuddalls in the C.ofI. in Piercestown/Mulrankin Union. This Church was Amalgamated with Wexford Union.
There are also some Shudalls in the Gorey area .
If you contact Rev. Jansson she can assist you and also give you a contact for the Gorey C.of I.
Regards,
Summerhill.
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Thanks for the recommendation. I do have hundreds of Shudall records so far from the 1600s, 1700s and 1800s but can always do with more.
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Hi My GreatgrandMother was Elizabeth Shudall she was married to Thomas w coe let me know it i can help you Elizabeth Patterson
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Elizabeth,
Please see http://myfamilyhistory.wikispaces.com/Coe+Notes
but also please reply on here your line through to Elizabeth and what you know of her ancestors e.g. I feel she may have come from the Rath line. Do you know her religion?
Eileen
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Hi my Great Grand mother was Elizabeth Shudall she was married to Thomas Coe they had 13 children they got married 1864 .Idont if that will help .Please let me know and i will for more.Thank you
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Yes we Shudall researchers know already of the marriage. What I wanted to know was if you have any information on - her parents/siblings, where they lived, where they are buried, their religion and the details of the 13 children.
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Hi Elizabeth Shudall Father was Charles Shudall and the witness at her wedding was Tom Murphyand Francis Shudall i think that is her brother. Thomas and Elizabeth Coe lived in 2 Tenacre,Tomhaggard, Wexford .He was a school teacher.Childrens names Ester 1Sep1865, Hannah m 7Dec 1866 ,Thomas w 20 Dec1868, France E 9july 1870 ,Charles 21Feb1872 that is my grandfather, Barbara A 21June1874, Elizabeth 6June1876, William 13Dec1877, Samuel R 9 June1879, Edward 6Aug1881, Josph 17July1885, Martha J 16Sep 1887, Florence H 5Sep 1890. Idont know the place that they ware buried in i wish i did he died in 1915 but i dont know when she died .I would love to know more about her . Please if you find out anything please let me know.The were Prodestant. I hope you can read this as my spelling is not that good .Hope to hear from you soon Elizabeth
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If you look on here http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Tomhaggard/Tenacre/912080/ you will see that Thomas was a widower in 1911 and that Elizabeth married William Harrison.
If you look on here http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#searchId=11960497764933070000;surname=coe;p=recordResults;givenName=elizabeth;searchType=standard;deathPlace=Wexford%2C%20Ireland;deathPlaceId=1928899 you will see an Elizabeth Coe who lived 1847-1907 so that may be her.
The 1901 census online only has one Coe on it, in Wexford town, but the Tomhaggard area can be searched by ordering the film at an LDS Family History Centre.
Eileen in Sydney
p.s. Did you know the most well known historian around Wexford town for many years was Sam Coe?
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From Brian Cantwell's Memorials of the Dead:
In loving memory of Samuel Coe of Tenacre who died 22nd March 1906 aged 26 also his mother Elizabeth Coe who died 2nd March 1907 aged 60 years also his father Thomas Coe who died 9th March 1916 aged 75 also his brother in law William C.Harrison 29th August 1927 aged 64 years also Elizabeth Harrison died 4th January 1950 aged 74 years also his daughter MarthaFlorence died 18th January 1971 aged 57.
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Thank you so much for send me all that. If you find out any of her family will you let me know is she any of the Shudall that you are looking for . I have not known any of my family till now i have been looking for years it is so nice to find them. Once again thank you. Elizabeth
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I just found this picture of Shudall's shop at the corner of Gibson's lane
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Hey ,nice one Nicky ! .I think that around the time of that photo ,the shop, although still called Shudall's was run by a lady called Angie Molloy. A relative of the original owners perhaps ?
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In my memory Angie ran the shop but Mrs Shudall - a small elderly lady - often made an appearance.
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Hatslip, I have no family connection with the Shudalls. A late friend of mine was in contact with a Jackie Shudall who I think was the last of his generation still alive. I f i can find out any further details i will get back to you .
Shellback,
I wonder if you ever got any details from this Jackie Shudall?
Eileen
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I just found this picture of Shudall's shop at the corner of Gibson's lane
What a fascinating photo !!
Erin
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Feb 16th 1864;
At the Monse of the Scots church, by the Rev. I Herherington, Mr. Samuel B Pearce, oldest son of Samuel Pearce esq, to Miss Charlotte Shudall, 4th daughter of Loftus Shudall esq, Colishell, Wexford.
Jack
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Hi, my Grandfather was Mark Redmond born c 1863. who married Elizabeth Shudall born c. 1865 and lived in Duncormick. I have been told that the Shudalls originally owned a large house (some ruins still remain) directly opposite Duncormick C of I Church, but were disinherited when a Shudall convertef to RC , presumably through a marriage to a Roman Catholic. Do you have any information of this branch of the Shudalls please. Regards, Marcus Redmond.
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Electoral Registers; (1837)
Rent charges registered since 1832;
John Shudall; Duncormuck
Winetown & Commons
Name of Land;Bargy
Grantor; Loftus Shudell
Amount; £20
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Jack
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Hello Marcus,
As you will see from earlier posts on this topic (and many elsewhere) Paul Pearce and I have been researching Shudalls for years. We do know of this line, who show on the 1911 census (but not 19101), but so far have not worked out which of men from the previous generations might be her father. The Shudalls were mostly based around Duncormick so there are a few of them.
In current times the Shudalls are both Protestant and Catholic. Redmonds have also been both.
This may confuse you but there was also a Redmond+Shudall couple who married in 1825 too (Paul's line).
I have had a quick check of Cantwell's for your Mark/Marcus but didn't see anything in Duncormick district.
The 1911 shows him as a postman which is very interesting as my White line (in which a James of the same era as your Elizabeth married a Shudall) ties to the post office in Duncormick too. I will investigate this further to see if there is any Redmond link there.
Eileen
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Marcus,
I should have also told you that she was probably known as Bessie as a marriage record for Bessie Shudall in 1890 matches one for Mark Redmond. See it on https://www.familysearch.org/search/records#count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Aelizabeth~%20%2Bsurname%3Ashudall~%20%2Bmarriage_place%3A%22wexford%2C%20ireland%22%20%2Bmarriage_year%3A1890 and then, using this information, go to the GRO site to order a copy of their marriage certificate. This should show you who their fathers were so you will get the previous generation.
I also contributed some records to IGP where you will see they had a son George in 1905 (not on 1911 so probably died).
Mark/Marcus is not a very common name in Co. Wexford but I remember an old Marks Redmond from my youth there. Where are you?
Eileen
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Hatslip, I have no family connection with the Shudalls. A late friend of mine was in contact with a Jackie Shudall who I think was the last of his generation still alive. I f i can find out any further details i will get back to you .
Shellback - I wonder if the Jackie Shudall you mention above is the one who used to live in Cornwall?
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Hi Marcus.
I have Shudalls from Duncormick - so we must be connected! I tried to send you a personal message (PM) but system wouldn't allow it. I think you need to do some more posts first.
Do you know Elizabeth's parents?
Don't know if this is relevant for you:
Brian Cantwell's Memorials of the Dead-
Bannow graveyard
REDMOND (6/9) Erected in memory of Mark REDMOND Duncormack died 5 Oct 1922. Also his parents John and Mary, his sisters Anastasia and Mary, brothers Philip and Patrick.
Katharine.
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Hi Katherine 75, Thanks for your message. I believe that Elizabeth Shudall's parents were George Shudall and Ellen Nowlan, and that her parents were Patrick Nowlan and Ellen Pedigree, and the Nowlans lived in Rath near Duncormick. Regards, Marcus.
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Hi Katherine 75, re the Bannow Graveyard connection , Mark Redmond was my grandfather. Best Wishes, Marcus.
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Hi Eileen, I have been a bit busy but I am still making enquiries, and hope to have some news soon, although , chances are that you may already have the info. Regards, Marcus.
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Marcus, I've been putting a lot of Shudall pieces together over the past month, but still haven't got this Duncormick Post Office clue sorted out. So here's a question ... do you know the names of the wives of Patrick Redomon the postman (born c. 1904) or William Redmon the postmaster (born c. 1911)?
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yes i have that info. email me... * and i will send them to you. marcus.
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I'm afraid not Hatslip. my friend who was in contact with Jackie has since passed on and I have no way of finding out about him now.
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Hi,
I am Charlotte's great, great grand daughter. My great grandmother was her daughter Emily. I believe she had another daughter and wonder if anyone knows her name?
:)
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I'll get Paul Pearce to reply to you. He's the authority on this line of Shudalls. From the time of posting I imagine you might be in Oz, where he is.
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Thanks. I am from New Zealand - similar time frame to Aussie. I have stories told to me by my grandmother and my mother has a memory of her grandparents from when she was a school girl, but there is always gaps.
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Emily Susannah married Thomas Nock and I know one of her 7 children went to New Zealand. I have been trying to locate that branch of the family.
She had a sister Charlotte May (Lil) Pearce who married Henry Barber. Their only son was killed at Gallipoli.
She also had brothers Samuel Alfred (Alf) and Redmond Bowell and the latter is my grandfather.
As I have not had 3 posts I cannot send a personal message ( Stupid rule folks >:()
I would like to get in touch to exchange information. Can you send me a PM else I will posts 2 more meaningless posts then contact you.
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I have just joined, so need to follow the posts rule too!
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Mekon,
Part of the reason the rule exists is because there may be more than two people interested in what you say to each other. PM is great if you are exchanging details of a sensitive nature, but otherwise it's best to do it on here so that now, or in the future, someone else researching this line can see what information you have been happy to share. What goes around comes around. Happy researching.
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Hi Mekon & Whosthatchick
Welcome to Rootschat ;D
The 3 posts rule is there to prevent spammers and robots infiltrating the site with rubbish.
New members are encouraged to take a few moments to read the 'guidelines for posting' and 'getting the best results'
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Dawn
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Hi Mekon
Thank you for that information. I am going to talk about the family to my Mum when I visit her next. Her memory for old times is still quite good and I hope to clarify some of the stories I had from her mother and fit them to the right people.
I am still learning how to navigate around the site. Have posted a query for the Nock family - my great grandfather came to Australia from England and the family don't have much information about his roots. So here's hoping :)
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Will keep posting till we can safely exchange information.
Still a silly idea. :'( :'( :'(
My uncle used to keep in touch with your mother and I do have a lot of information including the ones who went to South Africa and had an amusement Park. My Aunty Lil used to keep in touch with them.
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You could try sending each other personal messages now.
Help & instructions here
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Thanks Dawnsh.
I am enjoying using this site, though I can see I need to sit down and go through all the bits and pieces of information I have - I am in danger of being a confused mess at the moment ;D. I have notes written on bits of paper from phone calls to Mum and info I have had from cousins, so it all needs collating in to some order.
I am grateful to so many who are sharing their family history on this site - amazing.
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Hi george shudall was my grandfather james was my great grandfather
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Have any of the shudall researchers done a DNA test with ancestry? I have, and would be interested to hear from you. Katharine
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Hi there I'm kevin shudall living in Hampshire grandfrther was George shudall from rath
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Hi, my Grandfather was Mark Redmond born c 1863. who married Elizabeth Shudall born c. 1865 and lived in Duncormick. I have been told that the Shudalls originally owned a large house (some ruins still remain) directly opposite Duncormick C of I Church, but were disinherited when a Shudall convertef to RC , presumably through a marriage to a Roman Catholic. Do you have any information of this branch of the Shudalls please. Regards, Marcus Redmond.
Are you still out there Marcus. Would love to hear from you regarding this information you posted.
Thanks, Katharine.
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..... my Grandfather was Mark Redmond born c 1863. who married Elizabeth Shudall born c. 1865 and lived in Duncormick.
Link to marriage, 17th February 1890-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1890/10695/5898356.pdf
https://www.townlands.ie/wexford/bargy/duncormick/duncormick/duncormick/
KG
Added:
Elizabeth Redmond and family in 1901 census
Residents of a house 19.1 in Duncormick (Duncormick, Wexford).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wexford/Duncormick/Duncormick/1801180/
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..... my Grandfather was Mark Redmond born c 1863. who married Elizabeth Shudall born c. 1865 and lived in Duncormick.
Link to marriage, 17th February 1890-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1890/10695/5898356.pdf
https://www.townlands.ie/wexford/bargy/duncormick/duncormick/duncormick/
KG
Added:
Elizabeth Redmond and family in 1901 census
Residents of a house 19.1 in Duncormick (Duncormick, Wexford).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wexford/Duncormick/Duncormick/1801180/
Redmond family in Duncormick in 1911 census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Duncormick/Duncormick/691719/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003602610/
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Have any of the shudall researchers done a DNA test with ancestry? I have, and would be interested to hear from you. Katharine
Hi, Do you have a gedmatch number? We could compare.
Lea