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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Nottinghamshire => England => Nottinghamshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: kah on Thursday 20 November 14 01:45 GMT (UK)
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I hope that SKS will be able to help with MIs at St Helen's, Selston for
the following & their families:
John BRIERLY (bur 13 Jan 1858, age 75)
John BRIERLEY (bur 05 Oct 1878, age 78)
I'm helping research a WWI soldier Harry Lowry MOFFITT who died 19 Jul 1917 in Fromelles France. He is thought to be one of the soldiers exhumed from a mass grave about five years ago. We are expanding his tree back into the past, as well as coming forward so that we may connect to living family members.
Harry MOFFITT's maternal great-grandmother was Mary BRIERLY, bap 12 Mar 1826 at Selston, d of John & Ann BRIERLY.
There are, however, two different families of John & Ann BRIERLY in Selston that overlap to a certain extent.
The MIs would help clarify this situation, especially as the burial registers don't include relationships.
Family 1 : 26 Mar 1805. John BRIERLY mar Ann fmr? POTTER
Family 2 : 17 Feb 1820. John BRIERLY mar Ann fmr? SHACROFT
also from the burial register:
15 Aug 1824. Anne BRIERLY, abode Selston, age 46 years
03 Jul 1861. Ann BRIERLEY, abode Selston, age 60 years
Mary BRIERLY married elsewhere in Nottinghamshire, and is neither the 1841 or 1851 census with her parents. Mary d in 1854 in London.
Mary's daughter & Harry's mother, Rebecca Susanna Hannah MINNS (1852-1952), emigrated to Australia.
(just a note: the Selston BMB registers on microfilm have been checked, as have the census records)
more info Fromelles Association: facebook http://tinyurl.com/pjrykvv
Harry's story: Australians on the Western Front 1914-1918 http://tinyurl.com/l6kdr3w
Thanks!
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I'm sorry, I've had a look but my CDs don't cover baptisms at Selston (and I think my BMD CDs are the most up to date!)
I can confirm the MMN in the two marriages:
1805 03 26 John BRIERLEY Ann POTTER
1820 02 17 John BRIERLY Ann SHACROFT
There's always the possibility of course that this could be the same man with 2 marriages?
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Thanks Annie for checking your CDs.
Yes, these two John BRIERLY's are two distinct individuals. Both are in the C1841 & C1851. The older John B is widowed in both census.
My thinking is that the MIs for these two John B's would hopefully confirm whether or not the burial of Anne B in 1824 (age 46) was that of the wife of the elder John B.
If this is the case, then the parents of Mary BRIERLY bap 1826 would very likely be the younger John B & Ann SHACROFT.
Your input is much appreciated - thanks!
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I really don't know why Selston is so poorly represented on these CDs; it's not on the baptism CD at all, and only the years 1811 - 1819 are covered on the burial CD.
with the archives office closed at the moment, I'm not sure where else you can look.
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Hi,
The NFHS have new CD's that was released in March of this year and they have Selston christenings and burials form 1694 to 1900 on them. I don't yet have the new disc's but hoping to get them soon.
I'm hoping to go into the Central Library Local studies sometime over the next few weeks as I know they have parish records there so will look to see if they have anything for Selston.
Wendy
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Gosh, that was a quick update because I think my discs are 2013!
Are there many other differences between the latest version and the prev one?
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Hi Annie,
Yes they did bring them out quick my disc's are from 2011 so do need to update them. The new disc's are on sale at the moment.
here's links for what's been added only baptisms and burials have been update
http://www.nottsfhs.org.uk/images/stories/projects/NewBaptismParishesForV7.pdf
http://www.nottsfhs.org.uk/images/stories/projects/NewBurialsParishesForV7.pdf
and for dates
http://www.nottsfhs.org.uk/images/stories/projects/ParishRegisterList.pdf
Wendy
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Hello :)
Mary BRIERLY married elsewhere in Nottinghamshire, and is neither the 1841 or 1851 census with her parents.
MARRIAGE - NOTTINGHAM St Nicholas - 7th Nov 1846
James MINNS & Mary BRIERLY
James & Mary Minns and their family are here in 1851.......
1851 - HO107 /Piece1472 /Folio 282 /Page 45 - Christ Church Schools Boys, Chelsea, Middlesex.
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Thanks to everyone for their replies.
.. to Dizzifish - especially for the marriage info (church identified) for James MINNS & Mary BRIERLY.
I checked on the Notts FHS site yesterday. It looks like Selston baptisms & burials are part of an ongoing project. As in my first posting, the Selston BMB registers on microfilm have been checked, so nothing further is needed for those records.
The only census for which Mary BRIERLY hasn't been found is 1841 (we have her & her parents etc in 1841+).
The MIs for Selston are part of the "Monumental Inscriptions of the British Isles", a work which has been microfilmed.
In coming forward with Mary B's living descendants, and ultimately to identify Harry MOFFITT's remains, we need to follow the female line. This case needs to go back to Mary's mother and Mary's female siblings, because this is the only level where there are female lines with likely living descendants.
Thus, correctly placing Mary B with her mother is essential.
Many thanks!
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Can we roll back a bit? How are Mary's parents' names known? How was her baptism proven?
You refer to Mary as Harry Moffitt's great grandmother in the first post, and then refer to "Mary's daughter and Harry's mother, Rebecca Susanna Hannah MINNS"
so was Mary the grandmother or great grandmother?
Without knowing where Mary was married (so I presume no previous knowledge of the father's name on the certificate) and if she hasn't been found in the 1851 census and then died before the next census, how do you know that her father was John?
There are at least 4 possible hits for misspelt Mary Bri**y in Nottinghamshire in 1841. Before looking at any of them in greater detail I'd appreciate some guidance about how you've managed to confirm the info you have so far.
Thanks :)
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My apologies, the first post should have read Mary BRIERLY *grandmother* of Harry MOFFITT.
Please, there's no need to look at census records, as that has already been done. Mary is not in the 1841 census with her family. The other Mary B's (various spellings) in C1841 have already been looked at. Mary is in C1851 married with her family (see below).
Neither am I asking to look for anything other than the MI's for John B of Selston.
My request has been please, simply for the MIs of John BRIERLY/BRIERLEY Selston, and again, my apologies for any errors.
Thanks to all for your help.
Just for interest:
Mary MINNS nee BRIERLY is in the 1851 census (with her husband James & children)
Christ Church School (Boys),Chelsea, Middlesex
-- Mary Minns, wife, mar, 26, born Nottingham[shire] Selston
James MINNS & Mary BRIERLY mar 07th Nov 1846 Nottingham (also FreeBMD)
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James Brierley MINNS b 05 Sep 1847, bap 14 Nov 1847, mar 25 Sep 1872 (PR);; d 1875 (FreeBMD)
Mary Ann Champion MINNS b 23 Dec 1850, bap 23 Mar 1851 (PR);; d 28 Jul 1922 (NPC)
Rebecca Susanna Hannah MINNS b 06 Nov 1852, bap 12 Dec 1852 (PR);;
mar 01 Jan 1876, d 08 Aug 1952, age 99 years 9 months (various records Australia)
Henry Champion MINNS b 02 Dec 1854, bap 22 Apr 1855, bur 11 May 1855 (PR)
14 Dec 1854. burial Mary MINNS, age 28, of Christ Church School, at St Luke, Chelsea (PR)
12 Mar 1826. baptism Mary, daughter of John & Ann BRIERLY, abode Selston, occupation labourer (PR)
The only other baptism found for a Mary BRIERLY in the Selston registers is in 1810.
[PR=parish registers]
[NPC=National Probate Calendar]
The original parish records Selston on microfilm have already been looked at.
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Hi Kah...
I tried to see if there are MI's for Selston St Helen's at the local studies library, but without success.
The Nottinghamshire family history society have recorded quite a few parish MI's but Selston doesn't seem to have been recorded.
The "Monumental Inscriptions of the British Isles" were recorded by the Latter Day Saints and can be ordered to view at one of their family history centres. https://familysearch.org/locations/centerlocator.
I don't know how far you have got re following the children of John & Ann?
I had a look and of the ten ? children, I can account for nine and who they married, I haven't managed to locate Ann (born abt 1838) after 1851.
The first six children were baptised at Selston but did you know that their son James was born 17th Oct 1832 and baptised at the Wesleyan Baptist Chapel, Ilkeston - 30th January 1833 - father = John Brierley of Eastwood, labourer and his wife Ann who was the daughter of Job and Mary SHAWCROFT.
I will leave it there for now, please let me know if you need the information on locating the other children, census details, marriages etc. Although I don't know where Mary is in 1841.