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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: corinne on Sunday 14 December 14 11:27 GMT (UK)
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I have someone who died in the Edmonton Workhouse in August 1915 and gave their address as 82 Lorenzo Road. I haven't been able to find this address on a map, but some years ago someone pointed me to the area they thought it might have been, that had been bombed in WW2. I actually visited the area about 10 years ago and could see quite clearly an area of rebuilt houses that contrasted with older houses around the margins of the area. It was no longer known as Lorenzo Road, but I can't find either my notes or photos, and now can't figure out where it is on a current map. Can anyone help me identify the area on a current map?
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Hi
Have you looked at the WW2 bomb site page, it appears to cover Edmonton :-\
http://bombsight.org/#14/51.5705/-0.0633
http://bombsight.org/explore/greater-london/enfield/edmonton-green/
Is it Lorenzo Road or street your title and text differ ;)
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The electoral registers have a Lorenzo Street, Finsbury Central Constituency, Islington in the same area as Margaret Street and Lloyd Stret
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The electoral registers have a Lorenzo Street, Finsbury Central Constituency, Islington in the same area as Margaret Street and Lloyd Stret
That is the only one I can see mention of around that time. Not far from Kings Cross station.
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I'm pretty certain you mean Lorenco Road, which was in an area once known as Little Russia not far from either Pretoria Road or White Hart Lane. There is no Lorenzo Rd in Edmonton in the 1938 A-Z.
I have an ancestor who lived at number 84 in 1927 and know of a family - the Barber's I think who lived at 80 or 82. It had a Wikipedia mention
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Russia,_London
There are some workhouse details here http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Edmonton/
I have attached a map
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here is another. Lorenzo Road is in the second row down, the second column in.
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Yes, thats definitely the place Gavin. And now I see the map, I can remember where it was when I went searching for it much more clearly. The wikipedia description of it being a very tough area makes sense. My relatives there definitely had a hard life with all the children born in the workhouse, and the oldest four staying there most of their childhood. I'd not heard of it being called Little Russia, so will have to look more into that bit of history.
This time I will have to make sure I save the maps properly so I don't have to go asking the questions again!
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It was Ada Morrell (born 1815) who was said to have been born at 82 Lorenco Road. Seems the family moved around a lot though. Another brother (born 1908) had his address at birth given as Bridport Road on the birth certificate, but it turned out he was also born in the Workhouse, and Bridport road was the address used on the birth certificate to cover the fact he was a workhouse baby.
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Yes, thats definitely the place Gavin. And now I see the map, I can remember where it was when I went searching for it much more clearly. The wikipedia description of it being a very tough area makes sense. My relatives there definitely had a hard life with all the children born in the workhouse, and the oldest four staying there most of their childhood. I'd not heard of it being called Little Russia, so will have to look more into that bit of history.
This time I will have to make sure I save the maps properly so I don't have to go asking the questions again!
ask as much as you like if it helps us both to gain fuller understanding of the families who lived there.
My great-grandfather died at No.84 Patrick John Lewis Browne. His son John knew virtually everyone in that area and was one of the few people who who could walk the area without fear of assault. He was a tally-man in that area. As far as I understand it he collected payments from people who had good on hp. There is a chap named Terry Webb who wrote "An Edmonton Boy" which is a short memoir of the area.
I knew Edmonton quite well as a child as most of my family had been born and bought up around there. I don't recognise it now. My aunts and uncles (fondly!) remember playing on the bombsites that still existed in the early sixties. Clearly redevelopment of the area did not rank as a high priority with the government then.
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It was Ada Morrell (born 1815) who was said to have been born at 82 Lorenco Road. Seems the family moved around a lot though. Another brother (born 1908) had his address at birth given as Bridport Road on the birth certificate, but it turned out he was also born in the Workhouse, and Bridport road was the address used on the birth certificate to cover the fact he was a workhouse baby.
It is astounding how ordinary people were punished for their poverty. I have very little knowledge of the workhouse system, but I know that many of one branch of my family were born close to them which makes me wonder if they were actually born in them. I've been trying to find out one way or another. But the history of the poor laws is interesting but it astounds me that governments ever through it was a good way to treat people.
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Hi there, not herd of lorenzo st but knew of lorenzo road it was near white hart lane my rellies lived there up to 1918. it got the name of little russia because of the immigrants leaving their home land because of the revolution 1917. it was a very rough deprived area and was demolished in the 1970's hope this is a bit of use :)
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Lorenco Road, near White Hart Lane, was a notorious street in Edmonton, nicknamed - as others suggest - Little Russia, due to the immigrant population. The story goes that it was so notorious, that the local police would only patrol in twos!
Being Tottenham born, I knew the area very well until it was demolished, if I recall correctly, in the 1970s.
If you are interested in the history of this street, I suggest that you contact Bruce Castle Park Museum in Tottenham, who are very helpful, or their counterparts in Enfield. Another really good source is the following site, which is devoted to this street:
http://lorencoroad.co.uk
It mentions the Moles who lived at 82A Lorenco Road.