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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: Gadget on Friday 02 January 15 16:00 GMT (UK)
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Hi All
I'm having great difficulty locating anything about the above person. He appears on the 1898 Scottish death certificate of a distant cousin as 'married to William Mackay George, mining prospector'. The informant was her first cousin, in whose house she died.
There is no sign of him anywhere in the UK records (or, in fact, very little on the global searches that I've done). The best hits that I've found so far are:
Various NZ Electoral Registers 1890 - 1900 - William M(a)ckay George, miner/resident/settler
Shipping - W M George travelled steerage from ? Melbourne to Dunedin (Minor Ports) on SS Mararoa Jan 6 1890 (Nationality - GB). Occ = Miners and Servants
Death - William McKay George - A-M-J 1913. Palmerston North, Wellington. Folio 1201
Also the marriage of William Mckay George to a Mary Campbell Burgess 1864, Victoria, Australia (my relative was named Margaret Burgess, so wonder if Margt might have been transcribed as Mary :-\ ).
I would be grateful for any information on this William so that I can count him in or count him out! I have info on Margaret to 1851, her death and her direct family to present day, so I don't need anything on them.
Thanks.
Gadget
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http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=MS19130318.2.23&srpos=6&e=-------10--1-byDA---2William+Mckay+George--
- this obituary of the man who died in 1913 seems to fit to some extent. He was Scottish originally, his wife is said to have died "some years ago", "no family" (i.e. children - siblings of William are mentioned). Was in Australia for some time (unspecified) then to NZ.
This might be a death notice for your lady? Gives her as "late of Wellington"
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=EP18980611.2.67&srpos=1&e=-------10--1----2Margaret+George--
Unfortunately if the 1864 marriage is right this notice doesn't give much info - W.M. George to Miss M.C. Burgess:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/150460999?searchTerm=Burgess
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NZ Death
1913 - GEORGE - William McKay - 85 years -- bc 1828
~ Lu
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Josrose ~
Thank you so much. Those do fit.
I found a birth for a William George in Halkirk, Caithness circa 1831, mmn McKay, which I thought looked a good possible.
The marriage notice means that the 1864 marriage is still possible, so will pursue that.
Thanks you - now to try to find when they left for Australia.
Lucy - have that from the obit but thanks for looking :)
Gadget
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Just checked up on Sinclair George, brother, and he has the same parents - John George and Christian McKay, so William was the one I found earlier :)
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He is buried in Palmerston North
Surname GEORGE
First Names WILLIAM MCKAY
Gender Male
Occupation UN-KNOWN
Address PALM NORTH
Denomination Wesleyan Church
Age at Death 85Y
Date of Death 17/03/1913
Place of Death UN-KNOWN
Date of Interment 20/03/1913
Warrant Type BURIAL
Cemetery Terrace End Cemetery
Cemetery Block 053
Plot Number 011
Head Stone
Book of Memories NO
Cheers Janette
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Thanks, Janette :)
I'll have to pop across to Oz now! Sad that they didn't have any children. I would have liked some more cousins!
Gadget
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Woooo - drinks all around - the marriage in Australia in 1864 was my Margaret - correct parents - bad indexing in Victoria!
Also thanks to Wiggy for guiding me through the process.
:)
Attached for proof
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http://gazette.slv.vic.gov.au/
GEORGE William McKay
Gazetted 30 May 1865
Place Wood's Point, Victoria
Source Victoria Government Gazette Page#1215
Gazette item sub title heading: Insolvencies
I doubt his obituary is accurate.
Charles Joseph LA TROBE – Superintendent 1 Oct 1839 to 24 Jul 1851 Port Philip District of the Colony of New South Wales and Lieutenant Governor of the Colony of Victoria 25 Jul 1851 to 5 May 1854.
The BLUE JACKET first arrived in Victoria in 1855 and in 1869 caught fire at sea and was abandoned.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Jacket_%28clipper%29
I can't see Wm's arrival on the BLUE JACKET
http://prov.vic.gov.au/research/ships-and-shipping
I have searched the digitised newspapers http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper and can't find anything about a police constable Wm GEORGE and bushranger named FITZGERALD.
Hope you find the information useful.
Cheers :)
Cando
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Hi Cando
Thanks for the info on the insolvency (he's down as quartz miner) - it fits with his residence on the marriage cert. :)
I was aware that much of the obit was questionable because of the LaTrobe and Blue Jacket dates. Thanks for verifying.
My main query now is when William and his siblings arrived in Australia. Sinclair died a few weeks after William (thanks KHP) but I have not been able to find an obit for him that might help with dates. Dee and Wiggy have been a great helped over there.
Gadget
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I've just found this info:
NZ marriage index: 1895 Catherine Sinclair George to John Colville (Folio 1343)
Australian death index: 1939 Catherine Sinclair Colville, Chatswood, NSW. Father Donald Mckay, mother Elizabeth.
William had a brother Donald.
So:
1862 - Donald McKay George to Elizabeth Holmes, Victoria
Also 1862: Sinclair George to Catherine Munro, Victoria
This is now the earliest date for the Georges in Australia*
Two of the George sisters, mentioned in the obit, were married in NZ:
1866 Ann George to James Nelson Owen
1867 Margaret George to Joseph Beale
Gadget
*I've got Donald George, 19 and Sinclair George, 21 arriving Melbourne 13 April 1856 onboard the Royal Charter, from Liverpool.
Found the family in Caithness in 1841 as Georgeson
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Here is Catherine's marriage on BDM's
1895/3646 Catherine Sinclair George to John Colville
narrowed down,the date is 24/4/1895
Cheers Janette
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Here is the marriage notice,not very helpful
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01eh8/
Cheers Janette
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Thanks, Janette :)
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This looks like Donald's Probate:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2VCH-1XH
1889 Palmerston North
Image wrongly linked :( i'll step back through
Arrgh - the whole of that file is wrongly matched ::)
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Hi Gadget
Probate for Donald M. GEORGE commences at Image No. 562.
[Just delete the Image No. 417 which appears on top bar ... and type in 562 ... ]
~ Lu
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Thanks, Lu. I gave up doing chops - ::)
I've had lots of success in Caithness :)
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Births in Victoria - twins
GEORGE Emmeline
Father Donald Mckay Mother Elizabeth HOLMES
At Melbourne 1863 Reg#21810
*GEORGE Christina
Father Donald Mckay Mother Elizabeth HOLMES
At Melbourne 1863 Reg#21811
GEORGE Alfred
Father Donald Mackay Mother Elizabeth HOLMES
At Collingwood 1867 Reg#1397
NZ Marriage
1902/6333
*GEORGE Christina McKay
MOUNSEY John
NZ Death
1919/8099
MOUNSEY Christina McKay 52 years.
Perhaps this is Donald investing in one of the thousands of gold mining companies that were registered in Vic.
GEORGE Donald M.
Gazetted 17 Jan 1865
Place Matlock, Victoria
Victoria Government G Page#123
Comment- Gazette item sub title heading- Shareholders Alpine Gold Mining Co
Cando
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Donald and Elizabeth are buried in the Terrace End cemetery in Palmerston North there are other Georges including Emmerline
Cemetery and Cremation Search
Search
Last Name
First Name
Year of Death
Cemetery
Last Name, First Name Date Cemetery
GEORGE, AGNES INNES 08/05/1942 Terrace End Cemetery
GEORGE, ALICE EMMA 04/02/1916 Terrace End Cemetery
GEORGE, DONALD MCKAY 28/07/1889 Terrace End Cemetery
GEORGE, ELIZABETH HOLMES 19/06/1906 Terrace End Cemetery
GEORGE, EMMELINE MCKAY 30/10/1914 Terrace End Cemetery
GEORGE, WILBERFORCE ALFRED 14/05/1921 Terrace End Cemetery
GEORGE, WILLIAM MCKAY 17/03/1913 Terrace End Cemetery
http://www.pncc.govt.nz/services/onlineservices/cemetery-and-cremation-search/
Cheers Janette
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NZ Death
1919/8099
MOUNSEY Christina McKay 52 years.
Cando
Also at Palmerston North Cemetery ..... there is a picture of her headstone. Hubby is also there.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01eh9/
Cheers
KHP
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There is also a Probate for Christina McKay Mounsey held at Wellington. Not sure if it is on the Family Search site .... there is always someone that will go to Archives on your behalf to photograph it.
Cheers
KHP
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Thanks to you all. I'll have a good read and follow up the links :)
I've now found that two of my Margaret's brothers went to Victoria in 1863 so have to chase them up as well. Think I'll have to start a thread on the Australian board soon!
Gadget
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Also 1862: Sinclair George to Catherine Munro, Victoria
There is a death in 1933, no age recorded for a Sinclair Munro George .... their son? Buried at Alfredton (possible it is in the Wairarapa), where George and Catherine are. There is also a Probate for him .... the court being Masterton.
Cheers
KHP
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Thanks, KHP, glad you reminded me. I think I saw that yesterday but flicked by it - I got angry with Family Search :-X
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Hi there,
William McKay George (not Mackay) was brother to Sinclair McKay George (my 2nd Great Grandfather), his son Sinclair Munro George passed at the age of 60 in 1933. A number are buried in the George Family plot in Alfredton Cemetery however a number are also buried at the
Terrace End Cemetery in Palmerston North. This includes Donald McKay (Sinclair McKay's brother) and his family Donald owned DM George (Drapier & Clothier) in Palmerston North, see photo which was passed down onto his son Wilberforce Alfred George. William McKay married Mary Campbel George formerly Burgess in 1864 in Victoria, Australia before moving to New Zealand (they had no children).
Hope this helps. Here's our WikiTree link (feel free to contribute) https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/George-13899 :)
Scott Sinclair George
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Hi
Thanks for replying to this thread. It was completed a long time ago and it was a distant ousin that I was investigating.
William McKay/Mackay George was married to Margaret (not Mary) Campbell Burgess. She was the granddaughter of my 4 x great grandparents' son. (see attached)
No children were born to the marriage and Margaret returned to Scotland and died there on 18th April !898 and buried in Liverpool on 22 April 1898.
Gadget
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Interesting! Thanks for the reply and additional info on Margaret.
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This is the link I originally found for their marriage https://www.findmypast.com.au/transcript?id=ANZ%2FBMD%2FVICTRIAMARIAG%2F3910721 "Mary Campbel" stated but clearly her own writing suggests a misspelling online. Rgds, Scott
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Some more detail:
Margaret Campbell Burgess was born in 1836 in Castle Douglas, Kirkcudbrightshire. Her parents were Adam Burgess, a clock/watchmaker and Elizabeth Payne. The family moved to Liverpool in the early 1850s. She emigrated to Australia (arrived Melbourne) in 1858/9 and married William on 2 March 1864 in Geelong* She travelled back to UK to visit family in Jan 1897 - Melbourne, Victoria to London on the Orient.
Margaret died while visiting her cousin in Whithorn, Wigtonshire. Cause of death was haemorrhage from an existing stomach ulcer. She was buried in Toxteth Part cemetery , Liverpool and is recorded as dying in Whithorn. I assume her body was buried there because of her family connection.
* moving to New Zealand after the marriage.
Gadget
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I've just checked my tree and found that her father was buried in Toxteth Park cemetery in 1871.
Also attached part of her death cert.
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You link is just a transcription with an obvious error.
If you read through this thread, you will see that I obtained the copy of the original and have put up a clip of this twice.
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Hi there,
Updated Margaret Campbell Burgess George memorial/photo on Find a Grave. Thought you'd be interested.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/174366070/margaret-campbell-george
Rgds, Scott
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Yes, Thank you. I have that (2021). The account on FindaGrave is more or less the same as mine :-X
See
Some more detail:
Margaret Campbell Burgess was born in 1836 in Castle Douglas, Kirkcudbrightshire. Her parents were Adam Burgess, a clock/watchmaker and Elizabeth Payne. The family moved to Liverpool in the early 1850s. She emigrated to Australia (arrived Melbourne) in 1858/9 and married William on 2 March 1864 in Geelong* She travelled back to UK to visit family in Jan 1897 - Melbourne, Victoria to London on the Orient.
Margaret died while visiting her cousin in Whithorn, Wigtonshire. Cause of death was haemorrhage from an existing stomach ulcer. She was buried in Toxteth Part cemetery , Liverpool and is recorded as dying in Whithorn. I assume her body was buried there because of her family connection.
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Scott - it would have been polite to ask me if you could copy exactly what I wrote.
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Scott
This is the family grave in Kells
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/240561271/john-burgess
Margaret's grandparents were Thomas Burgess (d. 1813) and Agnes 'Dunchee/Duncie.
I do have extensive details on this family. Dates on stone are inaccurate re ages as it was erected after George Carson's death.
I think it might be best to start a new thread if you have any more George family queries.
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Scott - it would have been polite to ask me if you could copy exactly what I wrote.
I apologize, I had no intention to offend. I thought you being a subject matter expert used your historical data best to represent Margaret.
Again, my apologies.