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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Worcestershire => Topic started by: sirsimon on Friday 02 January 15 19:04 GMT (UK)
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Hello
James Clee was born in Holy Cross, Pershore, Worcestershire in 1808.
He was a tailor whom married Matilda Longford in White Ladies Aston, Worcester in 1829.
He is seen on the 1841 and 1851 census, cannot seem to find him on later censuses.
I was wondering if someone could help me find his death, I cannot find it on free bmd.
thanksC
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He is still alive in 1871 3063/11/16. lodging in Fladbury.
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Hi in addition to the 1871 is he the James CLAY 51 Occ Tailor b Pershore a lodger in Birmingham with a Catherine Taylor 49 in 1861?
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Keyboard86
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Possible death ?
James Clee
Q2 1878 Vol 6a, p385
Age 72
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Maybe not - there's a probate entry for a James Clee, farmer of Whitcott Hall, Clun died April 1878. doesn;t sound like your chap!
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Hi guys
I thought the 1878 death wasn't him because it is a bit off, but since the probate confirms the man was a farmer, not a tailor proves even further it isn't the death of my James.
I think the 1871 census is an error, in that Clee was misinterpretated as Clay, since they sound similar.
Matilda, his wife died in 1882, registered in Kings Norton
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So have you found his wife Matilda in 1881 to see if she is widowed (or got the certificate for her)?
Added:They stopped living together by, at least, 1861?
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Cannot find her on the 1881 census, she could be living with one of her many children.
May get the certificate to prove if he has died by 1881, but I want to try and avoid the expense.
Interesting that they stopped living together by 1861, despite the census saying they are married. A mystery
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She is named as Martha Clay in 1881 3015/22/37 living with son James and family.
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thank you
What is her age on the 1881 census?
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"Interesting that they stopped living together by 1861, despite the census saying they are married. A Mystery"
I doubt they could afford a divorce, and as neither of them appear to have found another partner they wanted to marry it didn't really matter!
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She was 71 on the 1881 Census.
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thanks
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Why they were not living together?
In 1855 James Clee, tailor of St Peters, appeared at the Petty Sessions, for giving his wife Matilda such a severe beating, that it was feared that his kicks could leave her lamed for life. He was fined and bound over to keep the peace.
In 1866 Matilda, then of White Lady Aston, applied to the courts for a protection order. She said they were married on 31st March 1829, that he was very drunken, and deserted her on 12th May 1859 since when she had not seen him since.
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wow thank you, could you please give a link to the original session details?
Do you know where I could find the original transcription to the session?
thanks
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I picked up from reports in Worcestershire newspapers, not the court papers.
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right thank you
I have had a look and I have found the article that describes the beating, however, whilst I have found the article of the protection order, its a poor copy and I cannot read it well
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Hi guys
Possible death for James?
Deaths Sep 1890
Clay James 80 Dudley 6c 2
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hmmm tried typing in for the 1881 census for Matilda and nothing is coming up.
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She is named as Martha Clay in 1881 3015/22/37 living with son James and family.
Just found her as Clee - I don't know where I saw Clay! Sorry.
It could be totally wrong ::)
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hi heywood
Just checked, you are right it was spelt correctly as Clee.
According to the census in 1881, Matilda is written down as still being married
Only possible death is the one in 1890
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Hi guys
Got hold of Matilda's death certificate from 1882 and she is listed as a widow, despite being considered married in the 1881 census transcription.
Means James died between 1871 and 1881
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who reported her death?
The information re 'widow' would be provided by the informant. If it was a family member, they could consider him dead as he hadn't lived with her for twenty years, if it was some other person they could assume she was widowed.
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Informant was daughter in law Mary Ann Clee of Balsall heath
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Perhaps he was considered dead by the family or they didn't know his whereabouts.
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In May 1851 James Clee, tailor of St Peters parish, was found guilty of assaulting his wife Matilda Clee after his thrashing of her left her possibly lame for life, from his kicks.
In February 1866 Matilda, of White Lady, Aston, applied for a protection order saying that her husband James Clee, who she had married on 31st March 1829, was very drunken and had deserted her on 12th May 1859.