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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: Yukon Brat on Thursday 08 January 15 07:28 GMT (UK)
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I am trying to find my great grandmother's marriage that took place sometime between 1913-1923. The marriage is not listed in the national index - unless the names have been badly mis-transcribed. I only have the general area of the Lake District and the fact that it was most likely a Catholic marriage.
My question is this: Can i post multiple lookup requests; each one specifying a different Catholic parish location in the Lake District; e.g. "Lookup Request - Garvey/Hammond marriage 1913-1923 - Dalton in Furness".
[First Names: Loretta Teresa & George William; catholic church in Dalton is 'Our Lady of the Rosary']
I believe the only way to access this information (registers not deposited and not microfilmed by LDS) is to visit the locations which is not feasible for me any time soon because I am in CANADA. And because Loretta's daughter, my grandmother, is now 92; I am really hoping to get some help finding this info sooner rather than later.
Advice, please Rootschatters. (I am asking for advice on this, because the last time I tried to do something along these lines on Rootschat, I was directed to keep it as a single topic.)
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I would suggest you post it in the common room and include as much detail as possible.
Regards panda
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You could start by trying posting a single look-up request to the Cumberland board and see what advice you get there. There may be a county archive where someone can do all of the lookups for you.
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It may be better in the Common room as already suggested by Panda - As she wasn't living in Cumberland in the last census she could have been married anywhere including Scotland and Gretna
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YukonBrat, have you searched on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk ?
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Here is a previous thread -
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=692792.0
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If the marriage took place anywhere in England or Wales it WILL be included on the GRO Indexes (as seen on FreeBMD) because, by law, all marriages must be registered.
However, those indexes do not include Scotland, Northern Ireland, Ireland or the Isle of Man!
Scotland looks to be the best bet.
And that means a lookup on Scotland's People - as Craclyn said.
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Don't forget we also have an England - General board
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your family?
FreeBDM
HAMMOND female GARVEY Leyburn Jun Q 1923 9d / 1251
HAMMOND female GARVEY Richmond, Y. Mar Q 1926 9d 1143
HAMMOND male GARVEY W.Ham Dec Q 1929 4a 274
HAMMOND female GARVEY W.Ham Sep Q 1931 4a 289
HAMMOND female GARVEY Stepney Dec Q 1932 1c 288
births for this couple 1913 + should show mother's family name, but I am not seeing them.
For the marriage you are looking for, start with location of the first birth to your couple.
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births for this couple 1913 + should show mother's family name, but I am not seeing them.
Not sure what you mean, they show the mother's maiden name ie Garvey.
All of these people could be living, so shouldn't really be posted here.
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I think it may mean that the OP put 1913 - 1923 for marriage, but earliest birth found was 1923, so unlikely that the marriage was as early as 1913 - unless the marriage was in Scotland and some children earlier than 1923 were born there.
One thing that's caught me out a couple of times. If the bride was a widow she would marry in her married name but subsequent children would show her maiden name.
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I think what was meant was that the OP said the marriage could be from 1913, but these births are only from 1923.
Agree names should be removed as may be living.
The years of these births imply a marriage later than 1913.
Maybe Garvey was the name she married as, maybe she had been married before and the marriage to Hammond is a second one.
Yukonbrat - have you got a birth cert of any of the children of the (elusive) marriage?
(Red writing LizzieL! Great minds think alike!)
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Just found Loretta Garvey's birth reg Sunderland district 1887, but no earlier marriage comes up for her. A Hammond / Garvey combination doesn't find anything on Scotlands people either.
Where has Dalton in Furness come from? First two children in Yorkshire then 3 in London.
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It is looking very much as if they did not actually marry.
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If the marriage took place anywhere in England or Wales it WILL be included on the GRO Indexes (as seen on FreeBMD) because, by law, all marriages must be registered.
By no means bullet-proof - google up 'COMEDY of ERRORS - the GRO'
http://www.genfair.co.uk/supplier.php?sid=50
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Just found same query on this thread from a few months ago
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=692792.18
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Have you seen a death cert for George´s first wife? If not, then you should also consider the possibility that he was not actually a widower, in which case George and Loretta would not have been able to marry.
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As stated by Heywood in July on the other thread:
"It may be best if you stay with one thread and lock the others. Otherwise, you run the risk of the same comments being repeated."
People on this thread are just repeating searches already done before. ;)
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Just found same query on this thread from a few months ago
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=692792.18
I posted the link at reply#5 on this thread.
I suppose YB is trying to find any other options.
It is looking as though they didn't marry - good Catholic or otherwise.
If the birth certificates are in order and imply that the couple were married, then perhaps a baptism check for the first child would confirm a church and would give a starter to double check church records.
http://www.wensleydalecatholicchurches.org.uk/st-peter-st-paul.html
http://middlesbrough-diocese.org.uk/about/archives -
It looks as though Loretta's mother Jane died in Leyburn district so again perhaps it's best to start there.
heywood
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I see that Aysgarth is mentioned on the other thread. Is this the first marriage, if so I can't see a death that fits?
George William Hammond
Frances Hopper
Aysgarth 1890
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Hi groom,
1913. Frances Hammond 49 yrs Leyburn
Heywood
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Yes the 1913 death loks like the one. And probably why OP put 1913 as earliest for marriage to Loretta Garvey.
So looks like both parties free to marry.
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Unless George married someone else after 1913 but before getting together with Loretta probably not that long before 1923. ;D
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There is a marriage in Hull in 1915 which could be a second one for George.
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The difficulty is that it is there are quite a lot of George Hammonds. There are 3 possibilities in Hull area in 1911.
I had looked at one in Teesdale 1917 but again there are other possibilities in 1911.