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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Lincolnshire => England => Lincolnshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: dinkey on Friday 09 January 15 09:08 GMT (UK)
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Is anyone able to see if there is an obituary in the newspaper for Bridget Williams who was buried at Cleethorpes Cemetery 9 July 1941. She was age 70/71.
Also, if there is a memorial inscription or headstone at Cleethorpes Cemetery
Bridget was born 1870 in Wexford Ireland. She was married to Richard Williams but I have no information on him.
Grateful for any help.
regards
dinkey
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I will have a look when I am in the library at Grimsby next, but bear with me I am not sure that it will be this week.
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Thanks for the offer to do that for me.
Whenever, you can, that would be great.
regards
dinkey
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I have been to the library this morning.
I cannot find any entry in the Grimsby Evening Telegraph or the Grimsby News for Bridget's death.
On the cemetery records held at the library:-
Register entry 21858 Bridget Williams 71 years died 7.7.1941 buried 9.7.1941.
Wife of Richard Williams, living at 25 Humber Street, Cleethorpes.
The Grimsby/Cleethorpes Directory for 1935 does not show the Williams living at Humber Street.
As you will be aware there was no electoral roll during the war.
After the war there is no record of the Williams living in Humber Street.
The book of monumental inscriptions for Cleethorpes does not include any reference to Bridget or Richard. Whilst I have the grave reference and location in the cemetery it is quite a large area and I have not had chance to visit and try and locate it.
Sorry I have not been more help.
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Hi
I really appreciate your time and effort in trying to locate Bridget Williams. It would appear that there was no headstone as there was no monumental inscription.
It is very frustrating trying to find Richard Williams as he does not appear with his wife on a census record which makes it difficult to pinpoint his date and place of death.
Kind regards
dinkey
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If he isn't on any census was he a mariner and possibly died at sea.
Carol
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It is possible I suppose. One of his sons was a fisherman. All his children born between 1890 and 1898 show Richard as a labourer.
In 1901 census Bridget Williams (married) & her children were living in New Ross County Wexford but by 1911 she was living at Cleethorpes still married and age 40. The only other clue I have is that Richard jnr's birth certificate 1898 New Ross Wexford shoes that his father Richard was in Anglesey Wales, I have tried to find him in Wales in 1911 census but without a year of birth for him trying to find a Richard Williams in Wales is difficult.
regards
dinkey
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Hi
I have had a search in the Cleethorpes cemetery, without any success. I have not been able to find any headstone. I have had a further search in the library but again without any success.
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hi
It is a shame that your efforts on my behalf did not come to anything but I really appreciate the time and effort that you have spared to try and find something on th is family.
regards
dinkey
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I keep looking for you on my visits to the library.
I have found the following which may well be of interest.
Cleethorpes cemetery. Ellie Selina Williams, 2 months of age. died 24.12.1902 and buried on 27.12.1902. Daughter of Bridget and Richard Williams. Address 142 Barcroft Street, Cleethorpes.
On my next visit I will see if they have any electoral rolls for this period.
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Thanks for finding that cemetery record for baby Ellie. That was a surprise. If you can possibly trace them on the electoral register that would be very helpful.
regards
dinkey
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I have had a look at the electoral roll for Cleethorpes without success. However the 1905/1906 Grimsby/Cleethorpes directory lists Richard Williams at 142 Barcroft Street, Cleethorpes, working as an engineer. The 1910/1911 directory lists Richard Williams at 39 Clerke Street, Cleethorpes, and working as a chief engineer. These titles suggest he was working the trawlers out of Grimsby. I have checked the online list of seamen held at the Grimsby Archives. Many Williams but no Richard Williams as an engineer. Next time I am at the archives I will make further enquiries as they have extensive lists which might not be on line. Have you any information which might assist with any further search in the Grimsby/Cleethorpes records.
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Unfortunately I have hardly any information on Richard Williams. He had 6 children, five born in New Ross Wexford ireland. The sixth child was born in 1902 at 142 Barcroft Street Cleethorpes.
I have been unable to find him on the 1901 or 1911 census. wife Bridget was living at Bewley Street New Ross in 1901 and in the 1911 census she was shown at 97 Brereton Avenue Grimsby and 39 Clerk St New Cleethorpes.
Bridget died in 1941 at 25 Humber Street Cleethorpes and husband Richard registered her death.
Not sure if any of that information will help but I am very grateful for your time and effort
If you know of any records I can search myself online can you give me any links?
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I will check 97 Brereton Avenue, next time. I do not know any other records on line which may be of help.
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I have been to the N E Lincs archives today. The only R. Williams who is a likely candidate, is aged about 30 years, born Manchester. He was aged 30 years in 1901. Unfortunately there was no address given and his wages were paid to the Port mission. I have tried the electoral rolls without any success. There four volumes of fishermen in the local library, but no Richard Williams is listed. Unless I fall across any further information whilst looking for my own records, I would appear to be at an end at the moment.
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You do not say which records you found Richard Williams born Manchester and age 30 in 1901.
On Elsie Selina's death certificate in 1902, her father Richard was shown as Marine Engineer so if you are looking at Fisherman's records then he may not be on those. Do you know if there is another list for Marine Engineers?
Once again thank you for the time and trouble you are taking in trying to help locate details of Richard Williams it is much appreciated.
dinkey
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The records I was looking at was the fishermans records. I do not believe they have any marine records locally. Those records are held at the national Archives and National maritime museum.
Have you the children's names as they might have been living locally.
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Mary Kate (Kathleen) born 1890 New Ross married Ernest Alfred Norminton in Cleethorpes 1912, they moved down to Southwark.
Bridget born 1892 New Ross (my line of enquiry) married Walter Sidney Horton in Grimsby 1912
Margaret Louisa born 1894 New Ross married William George Bowles Cleethorpes 1916
John born 1896 New Ross. Merchant Navy & Maritime Service Records show him as a Fireman Trimmer. Spent some time in Moranville, Alberta, Canada (no further information about him)
Richard Jnr. born 1898 New Ross (no further information about him)
Elsie Selina born & died 1902 Cleethorpes.
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Thanks, I will pursue those when I am next at the library.
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Hi
Your relatives are difficult to trace. I have the details of the marriages from the parish records, do you want them ?
I cannot find them on the electoral rolls or in the trade directories.
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If you have the details of the marriages from the parish records that would be very helpful. Perhaps if I can trace living descendants from the marriages they may have some information on Richard Williams Snr, Jnr & John Williams.
I am guessing that as the men in the family seem to have been employed as Marine Engineers or gone to sea it would explain why they do not show up in the electoral registers or trade directories.
kind regards
dinkey
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Hi
From the parish Records.
St James Church, Grimsby.
Walter Sidney Horton born 8.9.1894 baptised 30.9.1894. Parents William and Betsy Grummitt Horton. William was a sloopman. They were living at 19 Cabourne Terrace, Grimsby.
St James Church 10.11.1912
Marriage:- Walter Sidney Horton 18 yrs. Bachelor, Waterman. 83 Garden Street, Grimsby. Father William Horton, waterman.
Beatrice Williams 20 yrs. spinster 83 Garden Street, Grimsby. Father Richard Williams, Engineer.
Witnesses were William Horton (his mark) Mary Ann Horton.
St Aidans Church, Cleethorpes 4.12.1912
Marriage:- Ernest Alfred Norminton 27 years, Schoolteacher, Bachelor 97 Brereton Avenue, Cleethorpes. Father William Crossly Norminton, labourer.
Mary Kathleen Williams 22 yrs. spins. 39 Clerke Street, Cleethorpes. Father Richard Williams, engineer.
witnesses sorry not recorded. (Will look at next visit).
97 Brereton Avenue is the home of William Crossly and Anne Louise Norminton, Alfred's parents. They were still resident at that address in 1918.
St. Aidans Church, Cleethorpes 1.2.1916
Marriage:- William George Bowles 29 years Bach. Minesweeper, 29 Barcroft Street, Cleethorpes. Father Joseph Bowles, Fisherman.
Margaret Louisa Williams 22 years 29 Barcroft Street, Cleethorpes. Father Richard Williams engineer.
Witnesses were Alfred Moore and May Jane Moore
I can only find a Joseph Bowles and Jessie Bowles at 195 Victor Street in 1918, and at 36 Convamore Road, Grimsby in 1921.
I can find a George William Bowles at 1 Back 80 Garibaldi Street, Grimsby, in 1919/1920. but no wife's name to confirm, it is the same as above.
I hope that this helps.
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Sorry forgot to mention that on the list for Grimsby service men I found the following
Ernest Alfred Norminton of 265 Roberts Street, Grimsby. P 3443 L/Cpl. Mil. Foot Police.
There was no electoral rolls for the war years.
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Thank you for doing all those lookups. It must have taken quite some time. It seems that there are no records of the sons John & Richard marrying in the Cleethorpes area so I wonder where they ended up and did they in fact marry elsewhere.
I have also been trying to find their deaths as well as Richard Williams Snr. but without knowing where they ended up it is like looking for a needle in a haystack looking for "Williams"
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I can find a George William Bowles at 1 Back 80 Garibaldi Street, Grimsby, in 1919/1920. but no wife's name to confirm, it is the same as above.
No news is good news ... as women under 30 weren't on the electoral list at that time. :)
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As promised the witnesses to the Norminton/Williams marriage are Luke Craven and Alice Maud Norminton.
Still no luck with the local electoral rolls for the Horton and Bowles marriages.
If I can help with anything else locally, please add to this subject.