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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Anglesey => Topic started by: hunkyhywel on Wednesday 01 April 15 21:59 BST (UK)
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I'm struggling to find the Huxley family in Anglesey in the 1841 census.
Particularly I'm looking for Owen Huxley.
He was born in c.1822 and baptised on 14th Apr 1822 in Aberffraw in Anglesey.
In 1844 he was living in Caernarvon at the time of his marriage.
Could anyone find Owen and/or his family in Anglesey? I have no idea who his parents were and would love to find out more.
Thanks in advance,
Hywel
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The parish record for his baptism has - son of John and Catherine Huxley, Tafarn y Baglan, Miller.
Also brother George baptised 1 Oct 1826 - son of John and Catherine Huxley, Aberffraw, Miller.
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Probably Owen was at sea at the time of 1841 census
Merchant navy Seamen
Date 18 Dec 1844
No225930 Register Ticket
Owen Huxley
born Aberffraw Anglesea 18 April 1822
Seaman
Height 5 ft 8 and a half ins
Hair Dark Brown
Eyes grey
Age when ticketed 22
Cannot write
First went to sea as a boy in 1834
When unemployed lives at Caernarvonshire
this looks like his family in 1841
Chapel St Llanbeblig Caernarvon
John Huxley 45 Millwright yes
Catherine 50 yes
Jane 20 yes
George 14 Sailor app no
Samuel 12 no
HO107 1394 7 6 4 14
Suz
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FreeREG has them as Hoxley/Huxley;
JOHN Hoxley, 6 Feb 1820
OWEN Hoxley, 14 April 1822
GEORGE Huxley, 1 Oct 1826
Also on FreeREG;
Possible Marriage
John HUXLEY Married Catherine HUGHES, 07 January 1814, Parish Church, Llanbeblig, Caernarvonshire
F/S has to John/Catherine;
JANE, 2 Nov 1817
SAMUEL, 20 June 1830
1851 John HUXLEY is born c 1795 Llanbeblig, Caernarvonshire, Catherine c 1791 Llanbeblig and Samuel c 1831 Llanbeblig.
Johns Occp Miller.
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dragonT: Thanks so much! That's shed some much needed light. Can I ask for your source?
suzard: Wow, I love details like these! What is the source? Is it in the 1841 census? What was the source?
trish 1120: Thanks Trish! What do you make of these then? Do you think John b.1795 Llanbeblig married Cath Hughes there in 1814 and moved to Aberffraw to have John, Owen and George then moved back to Llanbeblig?
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Aberffraw parish records have the baptisms - Owen page 32, No. 256; George page 47, No. 371.
FamilySearch.org has these records (transcription only), FindmyPast has transcriptions and images - but will charge. Owen's surname is transcribed as Hoxley.
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Probably Owen was at sea at the time of 1841 census
Merchant navy Seamen
Date 18 Dec 1844
No225930 Register Ticket
Owen Huxley
born Aberffraw Anglesea 18 April 1822
Seaman
Height 5 ft 8 and a half ins
Hair Dark Brown
Eyes grey
Age when ticketed 22
Cannot write
First went to sea as a boy in 1834
When unemployed lives at Caernarvonshire
this looks like his family in 1841
Chapel St Llanbeblig Caernarvon
John Huxley 45 Millwright yes
Catherine 50 yes
Jane 20 yes
George 14 Sailor app no
Samuel 12 no
HO107 1394 7 6 4 14
Suz
First part of this information is from Merchant Seamen Register 1835-1857
The central government created this register to monitor a potential reserve of sailors for the Royal Navy
(another register was made c. WW1 time)
second part is 1841 census
UK mariners who were on vessels at the time of the 1841 census were not recorded on the census as they were in later census
Suz
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Hi, I am new to this site so please be patient. I am no whiz kid at IT !
I have been searching for Huxley's in Caernarvonshire for some time and have a brick wall
at Llanbeblig where there were two John Huxleys at about the same time.
The Huxley's were millers at a waterwheel in Llanbeblig called Peblig Mill. Seemingly the previous generation or so had the same trade at Copperas Hill in Liverpool but I cant make the link.
Have a look at a website called ( and watch the spelling) called "carnarvon traders" , I think you will find that interesting.
I don't do social media or ancestry or the likes. This site says not to give your email address.So
I will look at the site occasionally to see if there is any response.
If someone can indicate a safe way to contact(other than this site) it would help me greatly.
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It is RootsChat policy to not post e mail addresses on the public boards
When you have made 3 posts you can use the private message facility to exchange information (that which may be sensitive- and e mail address)
Suz
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Hi Suz,
Thanks for your helpful reply. I guess this constitutes the second of the three posts you say I
need.
Next time I have a look at the website ,if I don't get any other replies I will have to try to add
something to what I have already said but I'm not at this stage sure if my comments are of any interest to anyone.
Patience is a virtue!
Keith
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if you want to post further details of your "brick wall" -d.o.b. etc someone may be able to assist you
and it will make your 3rd post!!!
Suz
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Hi Suz,
Thanks for the encouragement. My ancestor John Huxley stated to the enumerator of the 1881 census that he was the 66 and was born in Carnarvonshire. Family Search suggests he was born in LLanbeblig
which is near Segontium(the roman fort) in what is now called Caernarvon. There were 2 John Huxley's christened in llanbeblig viz 24/7/1814 (parents Hugh and Jane)
12/2/1815 ( John and Catherine)
The families were known to be Millers by trade.
I found an article about a John Huxley who was a Lay Preacher. This says he died on 8/7/1846 and
that he was born approx 1770 but he came from Liverpool.
There seem to be two deaths for John Huxleys in 1846.
The connection be between Liverpool Llanbeblig and Aberffraw (Anglesey) is maritime and milling.
Any help would be appreciated.I shall try to cut and paste the article in another post
Keith
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HUXLEY, MR. JOHN, CARNAR-
VON, .was a native of Liverpool,
but removed early in life to thef
neighbourhood of Carnarvon,
and afterwards to the town it-
self. When he came to this dis-
trict he was a monoglot English-
man ; but he soon learnt the
Welsh language. He began to
preach at Llanrug when he was
about 36 years of age, and had
many of the elements of a popu-
lar preacher, his ministry being
acceptable, not only to the
saints, but to all his hearers.
He had a most melodious voice.
He was a very worthy man, a
good divine, an able critic, a
sweet preacher, and in manners
a gentleman. He had a fairly
good education in early life,
and continued a diligent reader,
devoting special attention to
history, both ecclesiastical and.
secular. His sermons were
short and interesting. It was a
loss to the denomination that he
confined his preaching exercises
almost entirely to Carnarvon
and the neighbourhood. He
seldom attended even his own
Monthly Meeting. He was
chosen to be ordained in June,
1834, but for some unknown
reason he declined the honour.
He was highly respected in Car-
narvon 'as a man of sound sense
and noble character, deeply re-
ligious, and of refined taste. He
died July 8th, 1846, aged 76
years. Y Drysorfa, vol. xyi.
page 256; vol. xix. page 217.
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Hi all,
This is great, thanks so much! Especially for that article Keith!
I have managed to take the line I'm researching to the same man. I'd be eager and happy to talk more on this with you.
I have evidence to suggest that the Miller, lay preacher, John was the son of George and Jane.
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Hi, I think I have been successful in sending a message to hunkyhywel, but just in case I will keep
looking at the website pro tem.
I would love to see the evidence hunkyhywel is referring to.
Thanks to suz for encouraging me to proceed !
keith
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This may be of interest
Huxley, John, Caernarfon, Llanbeblig, Caernarfon, Corn dealer
John Huxley : will, 1846.
http://hdl.handle.net/10107/391625
Died 3 July 1846.
Sons William, Samuel, daughters Ann, Grace , wife Jane.
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Thank you for all the information.
The last entry seems to rule out the John Huxley ( the preacher) as he did not have a son a called John!
I still find it quite unusual to find two John Huxleys in the same village at the same time !
I'm sorry it has taken a while to reply.
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Hi All!
I'm looking for information about my ancestor Ann(e)/Nancy Huxley (nee either Roddgers or Williams). Her marriage documents list her as Ann Williams but her daughter's death certificate lists her as Nancy Roddgers. She was born sometime around 1804-6 in Caernarvonshire (discrepancy in ages listed in census data). She was married to Samuel Huxley, a miller, in Llanbeblig on 19 May 1826.
She is listed as residing in Garnon St. Llanbeblig in the 1841 census. She is next listed as residing in Llanidan, Anglesey at Felin Isaf (sp?) in the 1861 census. It is likely that this was also known as the Tower Mill, Brynsiencyn.
Please let me know if you have any information. She is my 4th great grandmother and I would love to be able to trace my matrilinial line back further. Thank you!
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Welcome to Rootschat
Samuel/Ann Bapt as CATHERINE 01 Jan 1840, St Peblig, Llanbeblig
(FreeREG)
This appears to be her Birth Reg GRO;
HUXLEY, CATHERINE mothers mn WILLIAMS **
GRO Reference: 1840 M Quarter in CARNARVON UNION Volume 27 Page 311
But there is this one also but a year later.
HUXLEY, CATHERINE HUXLEY mmn ROGERS **
GRO Reference: 1841 M Quarter in CARNARVON Volume 27 Page 306
I will see what I can find and get back soon to this.
Trish :)
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Bapts same Church as Catherine;
JOHN 24 Sep 1826
ANNE 21 Sep 1828
SAMUEL 20 Jun 1830
JANE 05 Dec 1830
GRACE 3 Mar 1833
PHOEBE 24 May 1835
MARGARET ROBERTS 26 Nov 1837 (cant find Birth Reg for her)
(FreeREG)
OK the 2 Catherines whose birth regs I posted are on the 1861 Census with Ann.
I can see a ANN Williams Bapt 10 Jan 1806, Llanbeblig, Caernarvonshire on Familysearch.Org.
But the image is on Findmypast which I dont have access too.
You may be better off posting a new query on the Caernarvonshire Board asking if anyone has access to it.
Trish :)
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Just to let you know FreeREG seems to have a gap in Bapts in the time that we are looking for your Ann Williams.
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I can see a ANN Williams Bapt 10 Jan 1806, Llanbeblig, Caernarvonshire on Familysearch.Org.
But the image is on Findmypast which I dont have access too.
You may be better off posting a new query on the Caernarvonshire Board asking if anyone has access to it.
Trish :)
From Findmypast the entry reads - Ann Daughter of Griff: Williams yeoman by Margt. his wife
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Thank You!! I've posted in the Caernarvon group to see what turns up there. I'm so excited about the findmypast info. As of yet I haven't been able to find any possible names for Ann's parents.
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Thank You!! I've posted in the Caernarvon group to see what turns up there. I'm so excited about the findmypast info. As of yet I haven't been able to find any possible names for Ann's parents.
New post on the family here
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=836226.
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This thread is interesting to me as my ancestor was Hugh Huxley, who married Jane Williams in 1813 in Llanbeblig. He was also a witness at the wedding of John Huxley who married Catherine Hughes in 1814. This John Huxley I think is the son of the John Huxley, son of George & Jane.
Hugh seems to have died before the 1841 census and I can't find a baptism record. But there is a christening in 1784 for Fortunatus Huxley, son of George & Jane. George's wife Jane died in 1783, in childbirth possibly, with Fortunatus? (hence the name?). Another hunch at the moment is that 'Hugh' may be Fortunatus, as Fortunatus has no adult records and Hugh no baptism records. Hugh does seem to be related to George & Jane Huxley in some way. If anyone has any other clues I'd be interested to hear.
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Spelling of name corrected.
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I've now found the burial details of Hugh Huxley on the Carnarvon Traders website, he died in 1836 aged 40. So it looks like he was the son of John Huxley (1771-1846) and Jane Jones and brother of John Huxley Junior (born 1794), as Hugh was a witness at John Junior's wedding. Hugh didn't feature in the will of John senior as he had died before 1846.
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Hi, it's been a while since I looked at the site and have appreciated the recent post by coolkenno. I'm a descendent of John Huxley born to John and Catherine Huxley on 12/2/1815 in Llanbeblig. He had moved away by the 1841 census living in Newmarket ( now trelawnyd). I have been trying unsuccessfully to make a link to Liverpool as there were Huxley's as millers there. I am uncertain of the ancestors prior to the three consecutive John Huxley's and would appreciate your comments
Ps I like the interpretation regarding Fortunatus.
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I researched a little into this and thought that all Huxleys in Caernarfon are related, mostly millers originally and originally from Liverpool. Is your ancestor the John Huxley who married Catherine Evans (not known where, possibly Liverpool) or the John Huxley who married Catherine Hughes (in Caernarfon 1814)? My notes say JH who married Cath Evans was a Liverpudlian. Both Johns were millers, which confuses things and both were having children in Llanbeblig at the same time 1810s-20s. I think they may have been cousins of some kind due to their location, name and professions.
I thought that the John who married Cath Evans was born in 1792, the son of George Huxley (a millwright) and Anne Allen from Copperas Hill, Liverpool. I thought that John had a sister Jane who also ended up in Caernarfon marrying John Roberts in 1824. John dying in Bangor in 1883 possibly.
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Thank you for your speedy response. I've just spent a while talking it through with my cousin and we are fairly confident that we descend from John Huxley and Catherine Hughes. We cannot be absolutely sure of course but their son seems the have been the first born and would probably have been given his father's name.
I also think the two John Huxley's that lived in Llanbeblig at around the same time were probably cousins. The copperas connection is most interesting. I did find a Huxley as a miller in all probability at Tyrer's mill there. I have some information that it was destroyed in the 1790 's.
If we can help one another further I'd be delighted.
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I'll post my research into Huxleys in Llanbeblig. Colour-coding of names relates to siblings, apart from pink text which is uncertain info. Yellow blocked names are my direct ancestors.
First baptisms.
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Huxley marriages.
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Census results.
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Huxley deaths.
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Wow, that is most impressive.and thank you ever so much for posting this.
The 1861 census for our John Huxley, says his age was then 46 which means he was born about 1815. Your baptism schedule shows a John Huxley in that year. Given that we have his baptism as 12/2/1815, he is likely to have been the first son of John Huxley and Catherine (Hughes) who married on the ,7/1/1814.
We will review all your information and comment further soon.
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We have had a further discussion and are in agreement that our family descends from the three consecutive John Huxleys who are descended from George and Jane Huxley.
Fortunatus was born after their son John ,who was the first of the three consecutive Johns. Hugh was the grandson of George and Jane and brother of John 2 and he and Jane were witnesses atJohn2s wedding.
This is as far as we can go at the moment and is stated to the best of our research.
Please confirm you agree, meantime we are at a brick wall with George.
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I looked again at the records. I think the John Huxley born to John Huxley, miller in 1815 in Caenarfon, may be a red herring in terms of he may have died young with no record. John Huxley Junior who married Cath Hughes had a son John in 1820, who later married Ann Rogers I presumed. The other John and Cath couple in Bangor (John from Liverpool) had a son John in 1834 who survived. So the 1815 John must have died with no record.
John Huxley Junior the son of John Huxley, a notable lay Preacher, who is noted frequently in the local press at the time, if you can access the British Newspaper Archive.
My ancestor Hugh Huxley authored a welsh-language book 'Dyoddefaint Crist' in 1827, there are copies in some Welsh libraries I think. I hope to see a copy one day, it may have some bio info within, fingers crossed! Caernarfon was noted for welsh-language printing I think at the time.
I also hope to visit Caernarfon in the future, look round the graveyards, which could reveal more details. Huxley is a village in north-west Cheshire, probably the original source of the name.
The online parish clerks website for Lancashire (lan-opc.org.uk) is good and goes back many centuries. I must have looked for Huxleys in Liverpool on there but it may be worth a look for you also, to trace George Huxley's family possibly.
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The main difference between the two is their birthplace stated on several censuses.
The 1815 one was born in Caernarvon ( presumably llanbeblig).
The 1820 one was born in Aberffraw on Anglesey. Interestingly he starts as Hoxley and is later recorded as Hunley ( unless these are transcription errors.)
I'm aware of the village in Cheshire and knew about the preacher.
I wish you well in your graveyard search, I understand llanbeblig is somewhat overgrown.