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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: maggie.mae on Monday 06 April 15 20:52 BST (UK)
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Good evening all, I've just found the death of the above lady. Her name features in my Ancesters but I can't find her birth or parents. Can anyone help,please.
Maggie
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Is this a possible?
Georgiana Martinant
Baptism 20 Oct 1777, All Saints, Southampton
Parents John and Mary Martinant
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Good evening Mabel, yes, thank you!! John was the son of Lewis Martinnant and Mary Wallaton. They had a daughter Mary bap 15 Dec 1770 in Southhampton. Could you tell me where you found it please?
Could you see if you could find "Peter Lewis Martinnant".I've searched all the sites that I am familiar with but can't find his birth or parents.He married Jane Gwyllym 1799 Dover Kent.
Many thanks
Maggie
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It came up on Ancestry - I was a bit loose on the spelling.
have you picked up on this bankruptcy?
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/16474/page/690
This will might be of interest - no guarantee of a relationship, but it may have evidence
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D358850
added - just found the will n Ancestry. Not much help, just refers to children of his first wife Mary Walton
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Thank you,Mabel. I do have the bankruptcy of Lewis and John and Lewis's will thanks to other Rootschat members. My family is Pinnell,Stent,Hughes and Martinnant,all in the London area.I found Peter Lewis Martinnant on Family search/IGI,but only his wife and children..........no parents,baptism or death. Is there any way I can find out when the Martinnant family came to England from France. I have found many Martinnants from Allier in France as they were Huguenots.The name has different spellings which makes life a bit difficult!!!.....but fun!!
Many thanks
Maggie
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Hi Maggie,
I see you have Stents in your family.
Georgiana Martinnant.
Did Georgiana marry a Stent?
Regards
Tweedie 2
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Good morning Tweedie.
No she didn't, I have a death for her 11 January 1792 aged 15yrs. She was baptised 20 October 1777. Parents John and Mary.
All info is on Ancestry.co.uk. Select Births and Christenings 1538 - 1975.
Do you have these families? if so I have loads of info.
Regards
Maggie
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Morning Maggie,
There is a Georgiana H Stent on the 1841 & 1851 census for England. Georgiana is unusual. She died in 1865.
I have Stents in my family.
Emigrated to New Zealand in 1841.
I have Charles Stent, arrived Port Nicholson, Wellington, aged 20 yrs single. Charles had left England just before the 1841 Census.
I have all the family history from his arrival to present day in New Zealand.
Can't find him in England. I have his death certificate: Parents Charles Stent, Mother Harriet, Maiden name unknown. How long lived in Country, 50 Years.
Regards
Tweedie2
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Hi Tweedie.
I will go through my info and see if anything fits. I know there is a Charles but will have to check my tree. Can you access Ancestry.co.uk as I have put some info on my tree but not updated. Its "Tuckwood" tree,Maggie Gray or Gwendolen Tuckwood.
Talk to you later.
Maggie
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Hello Tweedie.
Do you have anymore info on the 1851 census for Georgiana,please? I have her as Head with children.
Do you have a d.o.b and where born for Charles,please?
I have " Georgiana Harriet Yowell" married "John Baptist Stent" my 4 x Grt Uncle 11 April 1818 Old Church,St Pancras London
Regards
Maggie
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Good Evening Maggie,
This is the only info on Charles Stent of England.
Charles Stent was born about 1819 in England. He was 20 when he arrived in Wellington, New Zealand 1841. I have the passenger list.
Algernon Tollemache of Ham House sponsored Charles out to NZ.
There is a little book called:
The 1841 Emigrants from Ham to New Zealand Sponsored by Algernon Tollemache of Ham House. Date 2003 from Richmond England by E Pritchard.
Another one: The Seven Servants from Ham. Just names, NO ages, Birth dates etc.
Charles death Certificate says
Parents: F. Charles Stent
M Harriet Stent, maiden name unknown. lived 50 yrs in NZ
I have been through every county of England micro fiche, BDMs and No Charles & Harriet Stent.
Charles died in 1891 in New Zealand.
Would be great to get through this brick wall.
I have Georgiana's burial 15th April 1865 Surrey England aged 66. Also Camberwell London.
John Baptist bap 8th June 1783 Godalming, Surrey. John Died March 1/4 1853 Alverstoke, Hampshire.
Johns parents: William Stent & Eliz.
Hope you can make sense of this.
Cheers
Tweedie 2
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Hi Tweedie.
Georgiana seemed quite a popular name.John Baptist married Georgiana Howell, Thomas, his brother married Mary Georgiana Hughes..... I will do my best to find him for you.
Regards
Maggie
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Hello Tweedie.
I asked the question on here and was given this info from Trish.
Charles Stent born 1819, Bognor Regis Arun District, West Sussex. Died 21 Feb 1891. Still nothing about his parents but will keep trying.
Regards
Maggie
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Hi Tweedie.
Is it possible that Harriet could be the middle name of his mother? Could she have been Harriet something or something Harriet? Does it quite clearly state "Harriet" on the death cert and who was the informant of his death? We can't find a marriage for Charles and Harriet. Hetty? Hattie? Could it have been second marriage? I found a Charles Stent 10 March 1793 born Sussex but he married Sarah Cooper who died 1848. Do you know when his father died?
Have you tried the National Archives in London?
We will keep trying for you.
Regards
Maggie
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Morning Maggie,
Trish sent me the 1841 census awhile ago. Was looking to see if Harriet may have had a Charles, and why she was Head of Household, her husband was away or she was a widow. The 1851 census was when Georgiana H Stent came up as head of household.
I did find John B Stent on the 1841 census. He is in Alverstoke, Hampshire, his residence was Royal Hospital at Haslar.
The informant on Charles death certificate was his son James Stent. Could James have got Charles parents wrong!!
I did contact Ham House to see if they had any information, they put me on to a kind gentleman who had a look. He sent me a scanned copy of the pages out of the first book I mentioned. Just where Charles Stent was mentioned.
Our Research Centre is closed at the moment for renovations till the end of the year.
Regards
Tweedie2
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Good morning Tweedie.
Well this is about a bad as my brickwall!! lol. I have Charles Stent senior born 10 March 1793 Coldwaltham Sussex. 1841 census and D.O.B index Fittleworth, Pulborough West Sussex. Parents George (spelt Georg) and Mary. Charles junior born 1819 West Sussex. Maybe "Harriet" was "Sarah Harriet" and she was known by her middle name. I'm going to see if I can find the children of Charles and Sarah. It's worth a try.
Maggie
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Hi Tweedie, could you list everything that is on the death cert,please? Or email me a
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Thanks
Maggie
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Afternoon Maggie,
Here is what is on The New Zealand Death Certificate for Charles Stent. Many early New Zealand death certificates just have country where born.
It's not very helpful.
District of Halcombe, During the quarter of the Thirtyfirst of March 1891.
PARENTS.
1. Charles Stent
2. Harriet Stent
Maiden name unknown.
3. labourer
When Buried.
23rd February 1891
Halcombe.
Name and religion of Minister or name of witness of Burial.
Rev ??? Harris
Methodist.
Minister.
Where Born.
England
How long in New Zealand.
Fifty Years.
If Deceased Was Married.
Where Married.
1. New Zealand
At What Age Married.
2. 22
To Whom Married.
Sarah Peck
If Issue Living State What age and sex.
4 3
Males Females
42 40
35 24
26 23
20
1 Signature of Informant.
2. His or Her description.
3. Residence.
1. James Stent
2. Son.
3. Halcombe
REGISTRAR
Signature of Registrar.
1. James Purdy
2. 24 Febraury 1891
Cheers,
Tweedie2
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Morning Tweedie.
There is conflicting info on Family Search. Charles Stent born in Devonshire and Bogna Regis,married to Sarah Peck with different marriage dates.No parents. So I'm going to get in contact with Bogna Regis archives. You never know we could get lucky. Do you have his marriage cert?
We will find him!!!!
Maggie
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Good Morning Maggie,
I have just rung New Zealand Birth, Death, Marriages to order Charles Stent and Sarah Peck marriage certificate in the hope that his fathers name is on it.
Because the marriage was in 1849 it is a Historical Record.
Marriages in NZ were not required to be registered until 1854.
They did several search's. Couldn't find and records.
Cheers
Tweedie2
This is interesting
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Morning Tweedie.
Well this is a weird situation!!! Every parish in England has a register which the couple sign when they get married. Charles and Sarah must have signed something as she was underage.Do you know where in Wellington they married? Like the church or parish? Does Wellington have a BMD place? Like our National Archives maybe New Zealand BMD don't hold all indexes. I've applied to Fittleborough and Bognor Regis West Sussex registers to see if they have a record.
We will find him!!!
Maggie
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Hi Tweedie.
Very sorry about this but West Sussex archives have no record of Charles Stent 1819 anywhere in Bognor Regis, Fittleworth or surrounding areas. If you can send me your Tree name on Ancestry I will forward the e-mail they sent me.
I still think you should try to find the Church he got married in and then search their records. There's got to be a record somewhere.
Maggie
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Hi Tweedie.
The letter says it could have been Lower Hutt, Wellington where Charles and Sarah got married because that is where all the children were born,so I would see if there was a census from there that would help. Also there should be a Church entry.
Send me a message on Ancestry with your e-mail and I will send you the letter. My tree is "Tuckwood Tree- Gwendolen Tuckwood"
Regards
Maggie
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Evening Maggie,
Sent you an e-mail to you gmail addy.
Wrote it down. ;D
Cheers
Tweedie2