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I am trying to locate some information on my late father-in-law war records,
His name was Adelbert Canon Spencer Roberts, born approx 1917 in Canada, believed to be in the Provence of Quebec the town is called St. Paul's, he died in Wales,UK in 1995.
Also trying to find his birth records also.
Thank you.x
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HI Fluffy1234
Droiun Collection shows - Adelbert Cannon Apencer Roberts (This name had been added as a transcription alteration) - baptised Labrador, Québec (Quebec) - 1918 - Son of Matthew Roberts fisherman of the community of Boune. County of Seguenay Province of Quebec and Lily Maud Goddard his wife was born 17 November 1917 and was pubically baptised on the 31 st March 1918
Witnesses - Arthur Tucker (left his mark) George Thomas Nather (left his mark) and Lydia Spingle.
Sandra
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Chicoutimi-Saguenay Quebec 1921
Matthew Roberts 32 Born 1889 Newfoundland. Imm 1900. Fisherman.
Lilla Roberts 29 Born Quebec.
Donald Stewart Roberts 10 Born Quebec
Ena Pearl Roberts 8 Born Quebec
Harold Hamilton Roberts 5 Born Quebec
Adelbert Roberts 3 Born Quebec
Arnott Ward Roberts 1 Born Quebec
Brother Donald Stewart Roberts shows on the California Death Index - 26 April 1911 - 8 December 1993 - Mothers Maiden Name Goddard. Last Residence 92392 Victorville, San Bernardino. California,
Sandra
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HI Fluffy1234
Droiun Collection shows - Adelbert Cannon Apencer Roberts (This name had been added as a transcription alteration) - baptised Labrador, Québec (Quebec) - 1918 - Son of Matthew Roberts fisherman of the community of Boune. County of Seguenay Province of Quebec and Lily Maud Goddard his wife was born 17 November 1917 and was pubically baptised on the 31 st March 1918
Witnesses - Arthur Tucker (left his mark) George Thomas Nather (left his mark) and Lydia Spingle.
Wow it didn't think I would get a reply as quick as this, it has to be his birth details as this is such a unusual combination of names.. You say it's from the Droiun Collection.. What us this please
Thank you so much.
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Until the late 1900s, church registers in Quebec served as civil and vital records in that province. Throughout the years a second copy of church records, from all denominations, was sent annually to the appropriate courthouse.
During the 1940s the vital record collections in courthouses throughout Quebec were filmed by the Institut Généalogique Drouin.* The filming of vital records continued for some areas up through the 1960s. Consequently, this filmed set of records became known as the Drouin Collection.
https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/The_Drouin_Collection:_Six_databases
Regards
Sandra ;)
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Thank you very much Sandra, my husband will be very please with the information you have given us,
We have only just started looking into his fathers ancestry
My husbands father and mother divorced in the early 1970's, and he never really knew much about his fathers family.
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You're very welcome, pleased to have helped.
Regards
Sandra ;)
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THis was the wife of the brother Donald Stewart Roberts - Lillian D Roberts born 19 April 1919 and passed away 15 December 1997 - Last Residence 92392 Victorville, San Bernardino, California.
According to the California Marriage Index Lillian was Lillian D Forder - Married 7 October 1966 -Los Angeles City, California.
Sandra
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Hi,
Canadian military service records are held at Library and Archives Canada. Unfortunately
WW2 service records are privacy restricted. If the individual has been deceased less than
20 years, limited information may be released to family. Proof of death and relationship
must be provided.
See here http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/Pages/obtain-copies-military-service-files.aspx
Cheers,
DB
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Hi,
Canadian military service records are held at Library and Archives Canada. Unfortunately
WW2 service records are privacy restricted. If the individual has been deceased less than
20 years, limited information may be released to family. Proof of death and relationship
must be provided.
See here http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/Pages/obtain-copies-military-service-files.aspx
Thank you no proof of death, I expect my husband could apply for his death certificate I expect.
Cheers,
DB
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You probably have this already but just in case - Adelbert Canon S Roberts - 17 November 1917 - passed away aged 77 years - Redg Dist Wrexham Maelor Clwyd.
Register Number A86 - District and Subdistrict: 8131A Entry Number - 7
Sandra
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Yes Sandra found that on Familysearch, last week,
Regards Elizabeth.
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Hi,
I think this is the family on the 1921 Canadian census Chicoutimi-Saguenay, Quebec
Roberts, Matthew, age 32, b. Newfoundland, fisherman, father b. Nfld, mother b. Nfld.
Roberts, Lilly, wife, age 29, b. Quebec, father b. Quebec, mother b. Nfld.
Roberts, Donald Stewart, age 10, b. Quebec
Roberts, Ena Pearl, age 8, b. Quebec
Roberts, Harold Hamilton, age 5, b. Quebec
Roberts, Adelbert, age 3, b. Quebec
Roberts, Arnott Ward, age 1, b. Quebec
Cheers,
DB
Not paying attention, ??? Sandra already posted this.
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Yes that's my husbands ancestors,
Thankyou.
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Hi,
From the Drouin Collection again,
Marriage February 27, 1911, Labrador, Quebec, County of Saguenay, Church of England
Matthew Thomas Roberts, fisherman of major age of the settlement of Bonne Esperance,
Saguenay and Lily Maud Goddard, daughter of Charles Louis Goddard, fisherman, of the
same settlement of minor age with consent of her parents were married by banns by me
Hollis Hamilton Corey, priest.
Matthew Thomas Roberts (left his mark x)
Lily Maud Goddard
Witnesses: William Goddard, Elise Goddard & Florence Goddard
Cheers,
DB
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Thank you Sandra and DB for all your help, I now can start my husbands journey into his ancestry and see where else it will take us.😊
Regards
Elizabeth.
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Possibility for the parents and sister of Lily Maud Goddard Goddard - Chicoutimi & Saguenay Quebec 1901
Charles Goddard 33 - 26 Dec 1867 Quebec. Fisherman.
Selina Goddard 31 - 28 April 1870 Newfoundland.
Lely M Goddard 9 - 23 May 1892 Quebec.
Elsa J. Goddard 5 - 30 October 1895 Quebec.
Allen Goddard 3 - 28 Dec 1897 Quebec.
Alfred J. Goddard 1 - 10 January 1900 Quebec.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KHP2-Y41
1911 Census free - automated genealogy
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census/QuickMatch11.jsp?id=40622
Sandra
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Just above Matthew Roberts and Lily on the census - Salmon Bay. Chicoutimi-Saguenay Quebec 1921
Charles Goddard 55 Father born England and Mother Quebec. Fisherman. Immigrated 1890.
Celena Goddard 51
Elsie Goddard 26 Single.
Allen Goddard 23 Single.
Alfred Goddard 21 Single.
Sandra
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Also on this census image just above the Goddard family are a family of Roberts and a family of Goddard. 1921 Salmon Bay Chicoutimi-Saguenay Quebec.
Charles Roberts aged 26 years - born Newfoundland. Imm 1920. Fisherman.
Florence Roberts aged 24 years. born Quebec.
Irving Roberts aged 6 months. born Quebec.
John Goddard aged 81 years born England. Parents born England. Fisherman.
Lucy Goddard aged 80 years born Quebec. Father England. Mother Quebec.
Edward Goddard aged 45 years born Quebec. Son. Fisherman.
William Goddard aged 36 years born Quebec. Son. Fisherman.
Katherine Goddard aged 23 years born Quebec. Wife
Stanley Goddard aged 5 years born Quebec. Son.
Willard Goddard aged 2 years born Quebec. Son.
Sandra
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Bonne-Esperance Chicoutimi & Saguenay Quebec 1901 (just below Charles and Selina Goddard)
John Goddard 60 born 24 March 1841 England. Immigrated 1855. Fisherman.
Lucy A. Goddard 59 born 29 May 1842 Quebec.
Mary A. Goddard 28 born 10 April 1873.
Edward Goddard 25 born 6 October 1875. Fisherman.
William Goddard 16 born 28 April 1885. Fisherman. Son.
Florence Goddard 4 born 28 January 1897. Grand-daughter.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KHP2-YH7
http://www.ancestry.ca/genealogy/canadian-census/Chicoutimi-and-Saguenay-Census-Records-Goddard.html
Sandra
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John Goddard and Lucy - Bonne-Esperance Chicoutimi & Saguenay Quebec 1891 (transcribed under Godard)
John Godard 50 Fisherman. Lucie Godard 49
John Godard 22 Jeanne Godard 20
Mary Godard 18 Edouard Godard 16
Hampton Godard 13 Alfred Godard 8
William Godard 6
Underneath them are
Charles Goddard 29 Fisherman and Selina Goddard 22 years.
Sandra
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Bonne-Esperance Chicoutimi & Saguenay Quebec - 1871 - shows Charles Goddard (father of Lily) with his parents John Goddard and Lucy - also Johns mother Jane Goddard. All children born Quebec.
John Godard 29 Lucy Duket 27
Matheu Godard 6 Charles Godard 4
John Godard 2 Jane Godard 8 months.
Jane Godard 72 Born 1799 England. Widowed.
Sandra
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Bonne-Espérance, Chicoutimi & Saguenay, Quebec, Canada 1881
John Goddard aged 38 years born England. Occupation Pecheur (Fisherman-Fishing)
Lucie Goddard aged 40 years born Quebec
Charles Goddard aged 15 years born Quebec. Occupation Pecheur (Fisherman-Fishing)
Johnney Goddard aged 13 years born Quebec.
James Goddard aged 11 years born Quebec
Mary Goddard aged 9 years born Quebec
Amelia Goddard aged 7 tears born Quebec
Edouard Goddard aged 8 years born Quebec
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MVJH-2JY
Sandra
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Hi Sandra,
There is so much information here, the family which mentions a baby called Irving Roberts would be related as the name Irving was also the name of my husbands brother before he had it changed by deed poll.
Thank you so much for all your hard work, I never thought I would get this going so quickly,as it has been slow going with my own family tree.
Regards Elizabeth😊
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You're very welcome.
Irving Roberts - Irving Roderick Roberts, son of Charles Roberts fisherman of St Pauls River, Saguenay County, Labrador, Quebec and of his wife Florence (Goddard) born on the 29 th November 1920 and baptised on the 20 February 1921
Witnesses :- John Goddard - John Buckle - Agnes Thomas.
If you check Canada 411 - this name comes up in Bonne Esperance QC - so could be a possible relative.
http://www.canada411.ca/search/?stype=si&what=irving+roberts&where=Bonne-Esp%C3%A9rance%2C+QC
Sandra
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Charles Roberts bachelor of major age - fisherman of Forteau Newoundland and Florence (Goddard) of major age of Bonne Esperance Saguenay County Labarador Quebec were married by Banns on the 31 st August 1920
Charles Roberts X his mark) and Florence Goddard. Witnesses John Buckle and Lucy Goddard.
Sandra
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Reply 18 - William Goddard married Katherine/Catherine Thomas
William David Goddard, fisherman of major age of the community of Bonne Esperance, County Saugenay, Province of Quebec. Catherine Florence Thomas, daughter of Samuel Thomas (fisherman) of the same community above of minor age, with the consent of parents, spinster were married by banns on the 2 nd April 1918
Witnesses Charles Roberts - Florence Julie Goddard - Nova Beatrice F equet.
Sandra
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Willard Seymour Goddard son of William and Katherine Goddard born 27 December 1918 and passed away 1 st February 2005
The Gazette, Montréal, QC - 5/2/2005
https://www.genealogiequebec.com/en/obituary/list/GODDARD/WILLARD%20SEYMOUR/2005
Wife - Helen Davidson Hughes Goddard - 12 February 1917 in Lachine, Quebec, Canada passed away March 26, 1991 in Lachine, Quebec.
City Directory 1972 shows William and Helen Goddard at LaSalle MOntreal Quebec - Apt 310 Rue Jean Brillon Street - also a son of the same name living here.
Sandra
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Lucy Goddard - (Lucy Anne Dukes-wife of John Goddard)
Lucy (Dukes) widow of John Goddardof St Johns River Saguernay County in the Province of Quebec died on the 12 th day and was buried on the 14 th August in the year of our Lord 1924 - aged 84 years.
Witnesses Charles Goddard and Allan Goddard.
Sandra
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John Goddard, fisherman of St Johns River Saugenay County Labrador Quebec died on the 29th and was buried on the 30 April 1922 - aged 82 years.
Witnesses - Edward Goddard and William Goddard.
Sandra
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There is a baptism - Lucy Ann Dukes daughter of William Evans and Mary Butler born 29 May 1842 and baptised (private baptism) 27 March 1862
Signed Lucy Ann Dukes and Thomas Wellman ???
Sandra
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There was a Lucy Ann Dukes on the 1861 census - Bonne Esperance Saguenay, Canada East. Lucy aged 21 years. No occupation or other details.
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/1861/Pages/1861.aspx
Sandra
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Page 14 - In the St. Paul’s River area there was an Inuit family composed of George Dukes and Jenny Menouque both of whom seem to have been “pure Eskimo.” The couple had 3 children - Mary, George and Andrew, and only one grand-daughter, Lucy Anne Dukes, who married John Goddard Jr. The name was carried on by their sons Charles (married to Selena Langmaid in 1890) and William (married to Catherine Thomas in 1918). By the 1960s there were 10 families descended from them (Goddards, Roberts and Keats).
https://qccommunitydevelopment.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/be_eng_23oct.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit
Sandra
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There is an ancestry tree that says - Jenny nee Menouque Dukes (Inuk - 1799 - 1879) widow remarried a John Goddard Sr, a native of England, but had no other child. John Goddard, a wealthy Englishman whose island was near Caribou - died before 1872
Sandra
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Reply 2 shows a son of Matthew and Lily - Harold Hamilton Roberts but the baptism records show Howard Hamilton infant son of Matthew Thomas Roberts, fisherman of St Pauls River and Lily Maud (Goddard) was born on the 21 st August 1915 and baptised 5 September the same year.
Witnesses Lily Maud Roberts and Laura Louise Goddard.
Sandra
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Reply 2 shows a daughter of Matthew and Lily - Ena Pearl Roberts but the baptism record shows Ena/Ema Beatrice Pearl Roberts - 5 th July 1913 - baptised 28 July 1913
Witnesses Florence Julia Goddard and Elsie June Goddard.
Sandra
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Matthew Thomas Roberts born 22 April 1886 in Forteau, Labrador Canada - Father Esau (Isaac) Roberts and Caroline Ann Buckle.
Matthew Roberts passed away - 7th June 1962 in St. Paul's River, Quebec.
Esau (Isaac) Roberts - born about 1846 in Brigus, Newfoundland passed away 24 November 1924 in Forteau Bay, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada. married August 1874 in Forteau, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada to Caroline Ann Buckle.
Essau Roberts h/o Caroline, d. 24 Nov 1924, aged 78 years - United Church Cemetery.
http://www.interment.net/data/canada/nf/forteau_uc/index.htm
Esau (Isaac) - Son of Esau Roberts and Ann Metcalf
Caroline Ann Buckle - born July 4, 1854 in Hawkin's Point, Forteau, Labrador. Passed away February 17, 1929 in Forteau, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada.
Daughter of Joseph Buckle and Mary Ann Shallow.
http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Roberts-2761
Lillian Maud Goddard/Roberts - 23 May 1892 - 11 September 1975
Other Roberts buried United Church Cemetery
http://www.interment.net/data/canada/nf/forteau_uc/index.htm
Sandra
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Burial of Joseph Buckle and Mary Ann Shallow - parents of Caroline Ann Buckle/Roberts
Joseph Buckle - 9 Sept 1903 - 83 years and 9 months - Husband of Mary Ann
Mary Ann Buckle - 25-July 1908 - 84 years - Wife of Joseph
http://ngb.chebucto.org/Cemetery/cem-forteau-ce-lab.shtml
Sandra
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Gosh, there is so much history here, Sandra I have just been scrolling through the link you sent me, the community development files, my husband never really knew much about his roots but now he surely does,😊
Well once again thank you so much for all your hard work and putting us down the right track.
Regards Elizabeth.x
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Hi Elizabeth,
There is lots of information for you to collate and verify, Canada can be very restrictive because of privacy laws, especially as we try to come forward. A link to what is available for Newfoundland and Labrador
https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Newfoundland_and_Labrador_Online_Genealogy_Records
Sandra
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You will notice a son of Esau (Isaac) Roberts and Caroline Ann Buckle - Aderbert Delbert Genge Roberts. He seems to go by Delbert - this is Delbert with a wife and family in 1935 Forteau, Labrador, Newfoundland, Canada.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QK9Z-Z5HD
and 1945
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QK9Z-2FVR
Delbert passed away 30 March 1947 United Church Cemetery, Forteau, Labrador
Emily born 25 Sep 1902, passed away 19 Feb 1989 - burial United Church Cemetery.
http://www.interment.net/data/canada/nf/forteau_uc/index.htm
Sandra
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IF you have access to ancestry, this link will show you Esay Roberts - brother of Matthew. It has photographs of him.
Esau Roberts - born January 9,1892 in Forteau, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada passed away August 15, 1971 in Forteau, Newfoundland and Labrador
Esau Roberts - born 09 Jan 1892, did 15 Aug 1971, h/o Roberts, Victoria, Royal Navy Reserve
Victoria Roberts died11 Apr 1963, aged 69 years 11months, w/o Roberts, Esau
and the couples son Edward Roberts died 2 Aug 1935, aged 12 years, s/o Roberts, Esau & Victoria
Burials - Forteau Anglican Cemetery - Forteau, Labrador Straits, Newfoundland & Labrador, Canada
http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/14477336/person/20476728060
Sandra
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Hi there.
Jp McGann is my name. We met briefly around 8 years ago at your mother/ grandparents house in Drumderg Ballinalee. Whilst researching the history of the house your thred came up, and I thought you might be interested in progress, and I might get some history of the house! Anyway here's my email if you would like to make contact (*) or (*).
Best regards
Jp
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Hello Fluffy1234. My name is Gary Roberts, living near Montreal, Quebec. My father is Ward A. Roberts, brother of Adelbert (Delbert) Roberts. My dad received a visit to Montreal from Delbert back in 1986 and they traveled up to their hometown St. Paul's River, Bonne Espérance Québec. I remember my Uncle Delbert quite fondly. My dad and Delbert were always together in their youth. Dad, Ward, is presently 99 years old and still going about. The whole family, Roberts, from St.Paul's River and here in Montreal often wondered about Uncle Delbert's children and how they are getting along. You can contact me through this site...I just registered after viewing your search for your husband links with his family.... it's pretty interesting and wonderful...
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Hi Gary,
What a great surprise to have finally (for us) to have made contact with a direct relative.
So my name is Elizabeth and I have been researching my husbands Canadian family for some years now.
My husband Norman known as Richard is the youngest of Adelbert’s sons.
Adelbert was know as Bob
John is the eldest born in 1948 and married with 3 daughters and 3 grandchildren. John and his wife live in England.
Irving born 1949 married with 1 son and 2 stepchildren a numerous grandchildren. Irving known as Bob lives in Spain along with his wife.
And finally Richard born 1953 we have 1 son and 2 grandchildren.
Although I have been working on the family tree we don’t really know much about Adelbert’s siblings.
I have Donald 1911-1993 married Lillian Forder both died in California USA.
Ena 1913
Harold 1916
Then your dad Arnott Ward 1920.
I was unable to find any marriages for the above (including your dad).
So if you are able to fill me in on any family details we would be very great full.
Mathew Thomas and Lily Maud were their parents
My email address is (*) it may be better to chat on there as there are many many questions I have to ask, regarding Bob (Adelbert).
I hope to hear from you soon
Kind regards
Elizabeth and Richard.
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