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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Armagh => Topic started by: RodEast on Wednesday 20 May 15 17:58 BST (UK)
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I am seeking information on the parents marriage and the birth of Daniel Livingstone. According to his military record he was born circa 1894 in Portadown with the next of kin stated as Lena Livingstone of 54 John Street Portadown. I am sorry this is all I know. Any help greatly appreciated.
Rod East
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Sorry I forgot to say that Lena Livingstone was his mother according to the form.
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This looks like the family- Lena a nickname for Selina, Daniel aged 9 so a little older than you thought.
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Portadown_Urban/Fultons_Court/1029610
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Brother Joseph married to Anne?
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Portadown_Urban/John_Street/300527
Mother and some of the children here as Levingstone-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Portadown_Urban/Brick_Lane/299619
Would you like us to have a look for more details?
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This looks like the right family but as usual the family history does not hold true. The storey goes that Joseph Toman married Rachael Wilson circa1863 and sometime between 1866 the birth of William George Toman (Mother Rachael Wilson Toman) and 1880 the birth ofDorothea Jane Levingstone (mother Rachael Wilson Levingstone) he changed his name to Levingstone. It was always thought that Joseph Toman (Levingston) remarried Lena Kane but it appears that it is not so. If the Joseph on the 1901 census is the son of Joseph and Rachael then it looks like the mystery is somewhat solved. Any chance you could help with that matter? I would be most grateful fory your additional help.
Rod East
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I don't know if it is connected, but https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/ has the marriage of Selina Kane to Joseph Levison on 4 May 1891 registered in Banbridge.
Edited: Sorry as Aghadowey says below, the date should be 4 May 1890.
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I found the marriage but with the year 1890-
Joseph Livingstone/Levingstone (c1866-aft.1901), son of Joseph, m.(4 May 1890 Banbridge) Selina Kane (c871-aft.1901), dau. of Daniel & Susan
Marriage: Levison
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Portadown_Urban/Fultons_Court/1029610
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Portadown_Urban/Brick_Lane/299619
1911- 9 ch/6 liv.
1. Joseph (15 Feb.1891 Lurgan) m.(c1911) Anne (c1892)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Portadown_Urban/John_Street/300527
WWI details (https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ytgMCAAAQBAJ&pg=PA168&lpg=PA168&dq=joseph+levingstone+%26+portadown&source=bl&ots=Us9LfZDrJG&sig=6ul4F2qisD2uFQImvjRpK9JeWVU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=FvBcVcG_IsnSUbC7gegI&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=joseph%20levingstone%20%26%20portadown&f=false)
2. Daniel (26 June 1892 Lurgan)
3. Mary Rose (12 Nov.1893 Lurgan)
4. Stephen (20 Aug.1895 Lurgan)
5. James (c1904)
6. Cathleen (c1904)
Note: can't find the last 2 birth registrations
to be continued...
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Joseph Toman/Levingstone m.(1863) Rachel Wilson
Marriage https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGF5-KMN
1. Rebecca Ann Toman (16 Mar.1864 Lurgan)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FRHG-YQP
2. William George Toman (27 July 1866 Lurgan)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPSZ-MPV
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F521-R5W
3. James Levingstone (28 Nov.1872 Lurgan)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGHQ-BQT
4. Dorothea Jane Levingstone (19 July 1880 Lurgan)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGK4-3PL
Someone else researching the family?
http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/surnames.toman/62.2/mb.ashx
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Rachel was said to be from my Bleary Wilsons, though this Rachel was christened in 1826. That makes her pretty elderly to have a child in 1880 and doesn't match with the census. However the dates in the 2 census records are obviously off. My Rachel's parents were said to be John or James Wilson and Elizabeth and grandparents William Wilson and Peggy Anderson. Rachel's sister would be Rebecca who lived at house 108 in Bleary in 1901.
The story about Joseph being an orphan raised by Livingstons and not knowing his name doesn't seem to agree with the baptism records of his children. The first 2 , at least, should be the Livingstons, one would think.
The Toman home changes rentals from Toman to Wilson and back again according to a professional researcher. I haven't checked PRONI for the records that came on line after this report. The Lurgan Civil Records had the marriage in 1863 and I recorded they lived at #21 in Bleary about that time. It sounds like house 150 or 110 in the 1901 census was involved. John and later Sarah Toman were said to live in the home later on, so it may be traceable. Uncle Wm Wilson was said to have a son-in-law named Kerr and Tomans remember a Kerr connection through the Wilsons, but there are several other Kerr/Wilson marriages.
This is a confusing family and going to the PRONI records for taxes after 1865 may help. Many of the Tomans from Bleary went to Philadelphia and posted on other sites at least 10 years ago.
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Thanks for your replies but do you have any idea which Joseph was the father of Joseph who married Selina?
Rod East
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The last two children's births of Joseph Livingstone and Selina Kane:
- James Levison and Kathleen Levison both born 30th Nov 1902 at 26 Curran St, Portadown
Other children:
- Annie Livingstone born 7th Jan 1897 at Drumgoose. Mother's name given as 'Lana Kain'.
- Rachel Levingston born 19th Mar 1900 at 2 Fulton's Ct, Portadown. Baptised in Drumcree Parish in Mar 1900 (page was torn so no day given). Sponsor was Susanna Kane.
Frenchy
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Joseph Toman, baptised 12 Nov 1866 in Tullylish Parish, Co. Antrim (Co. Down?) to Joseph Toman and Rachael Wilson. Sponsor was Mary Ann Toman.
Frenchy
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Do you have any other information on this Joseph Toman and Rachael Wilson as it seems to be at odds with the information I have already?
Rod East
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Joseph Toman and Rachel Wilson's marriage on 10th Jul 1863 at Lurgan Registrars Office, Co. Armagh gives both of their addresses as Bleary, Tullylish Parish so it looks to be the correct baptism for your Joseph.
They were both weavers, both aged 20 and previously unmarried. Joseph's father was Daniel Toman, a weaver and Rachel's was George Wilson, a farmer. Witnesses were Thomas Doyle and Anne Bell.
I only have access to a transcribed copy so the original records need to be looked at to confirm all the details.
Frenchy
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Thanks for that. Could I prevail on you and ask if there are any other births recorded as siblings to Joseph and being even more cheeky is there any information on the two fathers?
Regards
Rod East
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Ann Bell is the wife of John Bell of Bleary and was Church of Ireland. She would have been Rachel's witness. The Wilson/Toman marriage may be in the register's office as it is possibly a mixed religion marriage. George Wilson b abt 1799 and wife Mary b abt 1803 have children in Ballydougan starting at least by 1825. Annie bapt 1825, James 1827, Elizabeth 1829, George 1831, Rebecca is baptized 1836 and Rachel Sept 1, 1839. Rachel's baptism is at Knocknamuckley. There is a George in Ballydougan in Griffiths, but I am not finding the family in more church records. Sophia Wilson who married a Davison and then a Dickson has father George Wilson, but there does not seem to be a clear connection.
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You're welcome, Rod. Joseph Toman was baptised 14 Nov 1841 in Tullylish parish. Parents were Daniel Toman and Mary Livingston. Sponsors were James Toman and Sally McConville.
I could only find a baptism for one sibling - James Henry Toman, baptised 12 Jul 1839 in Tullylish parish. Parents were Daniel Toman and Mary Livingston. Sponsor was Jane Toman. He married Jane Moore in 1865 and widow Mary Jane Cowan in 1888.
Unfortunately, I couldn’t find any other records relating to their parents or to Rachel Wilson and her father George.
Frenchy
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Absolutely great. Did Joseph and Rachael have any more children after their marriage in 1863?
Thanks again
Rod East
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No problem. They did:
- Joseph Toman, bapt. 12th Nov 1866 Tullylish parish, Co. Antrim. Sponsor was Mary Ann Toman.
- Patrick James Levingstone, bapt. 10th Mar 1875 in Drumcree parish Co. Armagh. Sponsor Teresa Campbell.
- Stephen Levingston, bapt. 8th Mar 1877 in Drumcree parish. Sponsor Ellen Livingston
- Mary Anne Livingstone, born 1st Oct 1877 in Foy Beg, Tartaraghan CP. Father's occupation was labourer. Baptised as Marianne Levingston, 11th Nov 1877 in Drumcree parish. Sponsor Letitia Moonan.
- Thomas John Levingstone, born 17th Nov 1882 in Clonmartin, Tartaraghan CP. Father's occupation was weaver.
Frenchy
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Frenchy
One last question would you know the dates of death for Joseph and Rachael and how would I get a copy of the death certificates?
Rod
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Hi Rod,
They can be purchased for two pounds on this website: https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/
They both appear in the 1911 census so it would have been after this year. There is a death for Rachel Levingston 8th Dec 1914, aged 72, registered in Lurgan district. There are three possible deaths for Joseph Livingston in Lurgan Reg. District:
- 22nd June 1912, aged 79
- 26th Mar 1913, aged 77
- 4th Oct 1921, aged 80
The last is most likely since he was baptised in 1841 but ages on death certificates tend to be out by a few years.
Hope this helps.
Frenchy