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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Cockneyrebel on Sunday 07 June 15 10:41 BST (UK)
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Looking for death of the above, he married Mary Ann Adams q3 1872 at Pancras, both are on the 1901 census but can't find either on 1911 census, similarly their son Albert Victor b 15 Feb 1879 and Frank Edward b q3 1882 who married Ada Jessie Walker q2 1901, and other son Leonard b 1886 and daughter Olive b 25 Apr 1890.
I've searched all over Ancestry and FindMyPast for these people.
Please help.
Cr
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Have you checked passenger lists?
Maybe they emigrated as a family if so many are missing :-\
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Possible for Leonard married to Emily in 1906 with a son Leonard born 1907.
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Is this Albert Victor
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7JQ-Y63
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Snap rosie just seen that as a possible :D
Service record gives date of birth 15 Feb 1879 Islington.
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Thank you for finding Albert on 1911 census buy says married but again can't find his marriage? There is a death and probate for Leonard Homan Gibson but doesn't appear to be the same one as mine?
William was apparently still alive at the marriage of his son, Thomas Cornelius to Clara Glinn 25 Dec 1906, at lease the record doesn't say he was deceased!
I did check the passenger lists but nothing appeared relevant.
Cr
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Marriage December qtr 1904
Alice Maud Easton
Albert Victor Gibson
Islington reg district 1b 727
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There is a death and probate for Leonard Homan Gibson but doesn't appear to be the same one as mine?
This looks like the marriage that ties in with that probate
December qtr 1906
Leonard Gibson
Emily Alice Ringe
Pancras reg district 1b 79
Married Holy Trinity, Havelock Hill -Leonard is age 21 occ Shunter Abode 15 Leybourne Road gives his father as William Leonard Gibson
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Uk Royal navy register Seamans
Albert Victor Gibson first served date 8/3/1902
Last service date 2/8/1919
Ship Pembroke 11
Rosie has found the marriage
This might be a death
Albert V Gibson year of birth 1879
Died September 1924 Lambeth Greater London
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Possible death for William Richard Lenham Gibson
William Richard Gibson
Age 59
Death Q4 1908 Lambeth 1d 242
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Seems strange that William died in Lambeth as most of his life was spent in the Camden area?
As to Leonard, his son, the marriage to Emily Ringe gives his father as Wm Leonard, a labourer when in fact all his life his father was a turner of wood or ivory? I still can't find Leonard's birth record and wonder if it was his 2nd name or nick name or was it Lenham?
Thank you for Albert's military, marriage and death.
Cr
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If you look for a Joseph Lamb b 1849 Combrook Warwickshire looks like Frank and Ada Jessie there in the later census
Maybe a death Frank E Gibson b 1882 died December 1953 Paddington London
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Yes I found that Joseph Lamb record but via Frank Gibson-seems as if Ancestry have the records mixed up!
Cr
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Frank & Ada had a daughter Ada Jessie baptised in Islington 1902
Possibly Leonards birth reg from freebmd as per transcript
March qtr 1887
Leonard Hoi_an Gibson
Pancras 1b 16
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Seems strange that William died in Lambeth as most of his life was spent in the Camden area?
Deaths are registered where someone dies not where they were living. He could just have popped out for the day ;D
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That Leonard birth is Homan as the middle name which is not my Leonard.
Cr
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That Leonard birth is Homan as the middle name which is not my Leonard.
Cr
How have you eliminated him. I can only see one Leonard born around that time in Pancras.
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From your earlier post:
This looks like the marriage that ties in with that probate
December qtr 1906
Leonard Gibson
Emily Alice Ringe
Pancras reg district 1b 79
Married Holy Trinity, Havelock Hill -Leonard is age 21 occ Shunter Abode 15 Leybourne Road gives his father as William Leonard Gibson
My Leonard's father was William Richard Lenham Gibson an ivory or wood turner.
Cr
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I would not be discounting him. Information given on marriages is not totally reliable. Leonard junior could have thought his fathers middle name of Lenham was Leonard like his own. Later electoral register has Leonard Homan Gibson with Emily Alice in Bassett Street, St Pancras.
It is a coincidence that he married in the parish that Thomas Cornelius was christened.
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On the Electoral Rolls 1902 William Gibson 27,James Street Camden and Leonard Charles Gibson ..I noticed this is the address on the census forms
There is also Railway Employment Records for a Leonard Gibson birth date 5/1/86
Residence date 9/5/1906 age 20 Porter ..Station Camden Company London and North Western ?
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Thanks Rosie,
I had not seen that 1901 record with all the initials. Having said that the squiggle after L (Leonard) could be anything and does not look like other C's on the page, in fact it looks more like the O in Olive. ::) I see there is another son Sidney, I wonder where he is later.
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I think I seen him in the barracks somewhere need to look again
Amended post
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I can see the 1902 street directory for 27 James Street but it is only listing one person - William Charles Leonard Gibson :-\ Am I missing another one.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ffs/
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Sorry Rosie my mistake thought that was 2 people ??? so who is this then ??? have a look for Sydney in Gravesend b 1891
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Rosie, I was having second thoughts about the 1902 directory entry but I think each entry must have a separate number like electoral registers do today.
In 1906 it lists under one number so presumably only one person
Gibson William
Richard Charles
Leonard
so still does not make sense. This family seem to gain and lose names as they go along ;D
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In 1903 William Charles marries Amelia Bent and gives his father as William Richard -occupation Carpenter.
If only we could find a baptism for Leonard.
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Yes Rosie not finding one either was wondering about this for the mother in the later census in Hackney with a daughter Mary Ann Mason ( Gibson ) b 1874 ..mother is down as a widow ???
Or there is this death for a Mary Ann E Gibson estimated birth year 1853 died Oct--Dec 1902 St Pancras age 49
Noticed on the BMD marriage index Mary Ann E Adams and on the 1881 census she had an E next to her name
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This might be a marriage for Olive Gibson 22/5/1926 Barnes St Mary Surrey her birth year 1890 age 36 spinster married Edward Hurley ..The only thing is father is William Charles Gibson occupation looks like turner to me ..
Coincidence ? a death for Olive Hurley birth date 25/4/1890 died June 1976 Bournemouth Dorset ???
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I think you are right about the marriage of Olive, once again father has alternate christian names ;D
I am sure I found a marriage for Mary Ann Gibson (jnr) the other day, today I can't see it for looking. ::)
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Think I have found the death for the mother so don't think that is her in the later census as you said the names change all the time ???
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Hi still not finding anything on Leonard apart from what Rosie has found ???
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Hello guys and girls, the family seem to be leading you a merry dance, the same as they did to me, seems to be a nuance for changing names all over the place! Thank you for what you've achieved so far.
Cr
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Hi, Just signed on to this and I see your chat about William Charles Gibson and Amelia Bent. They are my paternal great grand parents. I know very little about the Gibson side of my family though I can go back a fair way for Amelia Bent. She died when my grandad, William Henry Gibson was young and his father remarried and put him in lodgings in Tooting, London SW. I was always told that he was abandoned by William Charles but since the 1911 census has been published; I can see that they all moved south of the river before Amelia died. William Charles was a wood parquet floor forman at Waring and Gillows in Acton and got my grandad a job there as an upholsterer. So not completely abandoned. My grandad hated his father. Both my dad and my brothers are upholsterers today and they have an inlaid shelf in their workshop which was done by William Charles. Any more info on him would be most grateful. My grandad was supposidly an only child.
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Hello Debbi,
I have a lot of information on the Gibson ancestry, as William Richard Lenham Gibson was my 2nd cousin, 3 times removed on also my paternal Rosser family. I'd like to know when and where he died as up to now all I have is before 22/5/1926 as he was recorded as deceased on his daughter, Olive's marriage record? Once you have posted on here 3 times we can exchange info by pm and e-mail. So you need to put some more info on here!
I have no information on your father, when and where did he marry and to whom and how many children did he have, etc?
I look forward to reading more about your family and eventually I'll be able to send you a report on the Gibson family ancestry.
CR
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Hi there,
Thanks for your reply.
My grandad, William Henry Gibson was born on 20 May 1905 at 24 Allcroft Road, London NW5. The very next road to Bassett Street which was mentioned re someone else in the family. He died 19 October 1989 in Epsom. He married Winifred Jessie Brighton from Tooting and my dad, Victor William Gibson was born 07 December 1935. He is an only child.
My parents have a photo supposidly of William Charles marriage to a wife after Amelia Bent and my grandad is sitting in the front row. I also have a photo that I believe is Amelia Bent as only this side of my family is from North London and the photography studio is up there. Neither my grandad, dad or any of my siblings look like William Charles as we all have dark hair and eyes which Amelia appears to have had.
My daughters and I visited the address in Allcroft Road a few years ago and it looks rather grand. Not what I was expecting. It doesn't show any signs of ever being split into flats but who knows? Although William Charles was a parquet floor layer, he was also a bookmaker. Grandad use to say that he was the bloke in the pub that would buy everyone a drink but he would have to wait until he came home and fall asleep so that he could steel money to buy food for himself and Amelia.
Can you tell me who William Richard Lenham is in relation to my family?
I only started to do this research because my dad wanted me to prove we weren't English as so many people over the years have asked the question.
I know Lenham is a place in Kent. Is that where he originally hales from?
Gosh, so many questions!
I'll shut up now.
Regards
Debbi
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Hello Debbi,
Well you've enlightened me a bit, I didn't know that your grandad was William Henry, as according to the 1911 census, he was recorded as just William! When did he marry Winifred and how many siblings do you have?
The problem with Lenham is that it is a place in Kent as you say but could also be a surname, maybe a mother's maiden name? Currently I don't know who Wm Richard's grandparents were and only know that his father was bc1813 in Surrey and lived in Westminster in 1834 when he married Ann Elizabeth nee Rosser. He was a coach plater which was the same business as the Rossers' were in.
CR
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William Henry married Winifred Jessie Brighton in December 1928 in Wandsworth (ref 1d 1311). I can't find the certificate but I have it somewhere. I tink it was 27 or 28 December.
My dad, Victor William Gibson married Beryl Iris Turner on 16 August 1958 in Brighton, East Sussex.
I am the eldest of my clan
Deborah Beryl 12.01.64
Jane Blair 30.08.66
Greg Victor 30.08.66
Duncan Grant 18.07.68.
Neither of my brothers have any children of their own.
My sister has a son, William Thomas Oakley Gamble and I have two daughters,
Olivia Lily Tinker 04.07.91
Daisy Ellen Tinker 04.07.91
As you can see, twins are in the family but they come from mum's side.
Going back to your family profession of coach platers.
Amelia Bents grandparents were a Cornelius Monck and Mary Wooltorton. They were coach trimmers and coach liners. I'm presuming this is similar to upholstery although someone told me it might be painting the lines of the coachworks.
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I have replied by pm, Debbi.
CR