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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Kincardineshire => Topic started by: Lady Di on Saturday 09 July 05 11:37 BST (UK)
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Hi Folks,
I am researching Pyper family of Fettercairn.
Robert Pyper married Elizabeth WATT 22.05.1826 Fettercairn
They had 9 children some of whom went to USA, some to OZ.
I have information re. the children but would like ANY census information prior to 1881 or information prior to their marriage PLEASE.
Many thanks
Di
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Hi Folks,
I am researching Pyper family of Fettercairn.
Robert Pyper married Elizabeth WATT 22.05.1826 Fettercairn
They had 9 children some of whom went to USA, some to OZ.
I have information re. the children but would like ANY census information prior to 1881 or information prior to their marriage PLEASE.
Many thanks
Di
this is the only one listed on BVRI
PIPER, William Christening
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 15 May 1819 Recorded in: Drumlithe and Laurencekirk, Kincardineshire, Scotland
Father: James PIPER
Mother: Isabel GAVIN
audrey
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Thanks Audrey,
Unfortunately not mine. I have looked through the IGI and can't seem to pin him down. Thought the census may show his age - we can only hope. Family said he was second coisin to Robert Burns (yeah, aren't they all!!)
Thanks anyway
Regards
Di
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Hi
Found the following family @ Whins, Fettercairn in 1841 census
Piper Robert M 35 Ag Lab Born outside census county
Watt Elizabeth F 35 Wife Ditto
Piper Mary F 8 Kincardineshire
Piper James M 6 Kincardineshire
Piper Robert M 3 Kincardineshire
Piper Alexander M 1 Kincardineshire
Ysabeau
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BINGO!
Thank you Ysabeau.
We can now (hopefully) progress backwards!
The ages of Robert and Elizabeth are just what I needed.
I noticed that you are also searching the Watt and Elmslie name (or variations thereof). One of the Pyper sons, George was born 26 June 1830. He married Jane Smert Elmslie 10 December 1853 in Fettercairn Jane was the daughter of William Elmslie (Emsley) and Ann Lassen
If this is your family (or anyone else) I have some information re their lives and offspring.
Again - THANK YOU :-*
Regards
Diana
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Hi,
IGI have a Robert Piper, born 26/04/1801 @ Arbirlot Angus - the son of George Piper and Helen Burness.
Could be worth "considering" especially as the above had a son named George
Ysabeau
PS - Will check Emslie connection
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BINGO!
Thank you Ysabeau.
We can now (hopefully) progress backwards!
The ages of Robert and Elizabeth are just what I needed.
I noticed that you are also searching the Watt and Elmslie name (or variations thereof). One of the Pyper sons, George was born 26 June 1830. He married Jane Smert Elmslie 10 December 1853 in Fettercairn Jane was the daughter of William Elmslie (Emsley) and Ann Lassen
If this is your family (or anyone else) I have some information re their lives and offspring.
Again - THANK YOU :-*
Regards
Diana
Diana
Be aware that the census ages for adults (over 15) in 1841 were rounded down to the nearest 5 years, so that they could have been 35 to 39, plus, dare I suggest it ::) , if Elizabeth was 42 but told Robert to show her as 39 ................... :o
ibi
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Thanks Ysabeau,
You are certainly on the mark. Someone just sent me the following from the 1851 census:
Robert PYPER Head 49 Farmer 12acres Forfarshire,Arbroath
Elizabeth Pyper Wife 50 Farmer's Wife Forfarshire,Montrose
ALEXANDER PYPER SON 10 SCHOLAR FETTERCAIRN
JANE PYPER DAUR 7 SCHOLAR FETTERCAIRN
ELISABETH PYPER DAUR 4 FETTERCAIRN
I had to look where Arbroath was and it appears to be close to Arbirlot. The family always said that there was a connection with Burns, so maybe they were correct (cannot find any connection with THE Robert Burns though)
IGI only seems to have a BETTY WATT born in Montrose around the right time - Elizabeth always has her name as Eliz - not Betty, so am a bit unsure about that one.
Many thanks for all your assistance
Regards
Di
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Thanks ibi,
I had forgotten about the age changes. I didn't like the options for Elizabeth anyway - so back to the IGI with renewed hope.
Many thanks
Diana
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Thanks ibi,
I had forgotten about the age changes. I didn't like the options for Elizabeth anyway - so back to the IGI with renewed hope.
Many thanks
Diana
My pleasure !!
ibi
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Hi,
I'm following up of the family tree and I have seen your post, I've also traced back to Robert Pyper & Elizabeth Pyper (Watt) who lived in Montrose.
Did you find out anymore information as I believe this traces back to my family.
Thanks,
Mark
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Mark,
I am very interested in Pyper family.
Robert Pyper was my Great Great Grandfather.
I am trying to find out about his life and where he came from.
Do you have any data? I would beost grateful to hear more.
Sincerely, Andrew Pyper
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If your Robert Piper/Pyper is indeed the one baptised at Arbirlot, then the story about the connection with Robert Burns may be correct.
Burns' father was born William Burness in Glenbervie, which is in Kincardineshire, not a million miles from Fettercairn. He shortened his surname to Burns at some point before finally settling in Ayrshire.
There is a web site devoted to the ramifications of the Burness family, and Robert Pyper/Piper is listed there. See https://www.burness.ca/g0/p466.htm#i4654. I am sure that John Burness, who created and maintains the Burness web site, would be very pleased to have information about Robert's descendants.
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1861 Census in Fettercairn has Robert P, 60, born Arbroath, with wife Elizabeth, 61, born Montrose and daughter Elizabeth, 15, born Fettercairn.
In 1871, In Yeaman Street, Carnoustie, parish of Barry, are Robert P, 70, born Arbirlot; Elizabeth P, 70, daughter Elizabeth P, 25 and granddaughter Elizabeth Gourley, 6, born Fettercairn.
Robert Pyper, mother's maiden surname Burns, died in Barry in 1873, age given as 73. The death certificate, available from www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk for less than the cost of a cup of coffee, will tell you the name of his father and the given name of his mother.