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I've been looking for birth details of my great grandfather Edward Fitzgerald Trevor born in Dublin in 1863. It's a bit of a mystery - in 1871 he's with he's father at a hotel in Brighton...but I never have them anywhere together again...and when his father dies in 1896 ...son doesn't appear to inherit anything. His marriage certificate states his parents were Major General John Salusbury TREVOR CSI and Mary Trevor nee Fitzgerald....but I've never found details of their wedding.
I have found records of JS Trevor marrying an Elizabeth Dawson in 1873 in Brighton when his son is 9, and that marriage certificate states he is a bachelor (rather than widower). My theory is that Edward may have been illegitimate - but I just don't know.
The National Archive of Ireland has a miscellaneous file generated in the 1970's - of baptism searches done for EF Trevor. Which tells me that someone else tried to solve the mystery...and it must have been somewhat interesting for the archivist of the time to save the searches.
http://www.nationalarchives.ie/pdf/smallprivateaccessions.pdf (copied this URL in 2010 - it no longer works)
Small Private Accessions 1972–1997 999/1–999/850 999/565 EXTRACTS FROM PARISH REGISTERS Baptism searches 18 n.d. Hanna Boland Buttevant, Cloyne Catholic 19 1846 Jane Anderson Lislane, Co. Londonderry Meeting House 20 1862–1863 Edward F. Trevor Dublin
I'm in Australia and not likely to get to a Dublin in forseeable future - but I'd love to know what the contents of this file reveal (if anything)
If anyone is able to look it up for me - maybe the mystery might be solved. :-)
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Hi,
Not sure if this helps and I do not know what the national Archives reference means but a Meeting House in Ireland is usually a Presbyterian Church. The townland of Lislane in County Londonderry lies between Drumsurn and Limavady and Balteagh Presbyterian Church is situated there.
Regards
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Sorry I can't help with the NLI lookup but it is a fascinating story.
I think the extract would make more sense if laid out this way-
EXTRACTS FROM PARISH REGISTERS Baptism searches
[item] 18 n.d. Hanna Boland Buttevant, Cloyne Catholic
[item] 19 1846 Jane Anderson Lislane, Co. Londonderry Meeting House
[item] 20 1862–1863 Edward F. Trevor Dublin
A few things struck me when reading this thread earlier-
Is the basis for Mary Fitzgerald being Edward's mother solely his middle name of Fitzgerald? if he was illegitimate his birth is probably registered under his mother's surname, whatever it was.
Have you seen JS Trevor's Will? does it mention Edward by name at all or is he merely not included amongst the bequests?
JS Trevor seems to have spent most of his time before and after Edward's birth in India (his career is well documented at least) so perhaps he wasn't actually Edward's father but just raised him for some reason.
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Hello,
A bit more information here but not much to help :-\
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=710153.0
Regards
Heywood
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What was John's father's name and occupation from the marriage cert ?
Maybe going back a generation might help !
Tara
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Does this record look connected somehow ?
Possible mistranscription is Salisbury ???
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/aaf9470080752
Tara
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Edward Salisbury Rose Trevor married Joanna Elizabeth Adelaide
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X1BT-RF5
Lots come up via Google but they seem to be a Welsh family.
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Just coincidental then ???
Tara
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In 1865 in an Irish newspaper there is mention of a Captain Salisbury Trevor's wife having a daughter in Calcutta.
You said John was a Major !
Was he possibly a Captain earlier in his career ?
Is it possible Edward was actually born in India ?
Do all census state Dublin ?
Tara
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BTW Royal Engineers is mentioned on the other thread.
It is also mentioned on the newspaper article that I can see.
Tara
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Just looking at Indian records now, Tara :D
John Salisbury Trevor mentioned in Bengal Orphan Society database- siblings also there:
http://search.fibis.org/frontis/bin/aps_detail.php?id=828302
Good summary of his career here-
http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/John_Salusbury_Trevor
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Good Work Aghadowey.
So 1861 to 1864 he was in India which means Edward must have been born there.
The newspaper article was in a Dublin paper so Mary Fitzgerald was possibly from Dublin.
Tara
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In 1865 in an Irish newspaper there is mention of a Captain Salisbury Trevor's wife having a daughter in Calcutta.
The Pall Mall Gazette (London, England), 12 Oct.1865: Births- Trevor Mrs S.T., Calcutta, 29 Aug. :-\
Think this is child of Salusbury Thomas Trevor
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Hi Tara,
Captain Salusbury Thomas Trevor was one of the four brothers of at that stage Major John Salusbury Trevor. (Became Major General on retirement)....and all of them were in India. Good find but not the father of Edward Fitzgerald Trevor.
John Salusbury Trevor (1830-1896) was the son of Captain Robert Salusbury Trevor (1802-1841) who was beheaded in Afghanistan at the start of the First Afghan War. His pregnant wife and seven children were made hostages and marched around Afghanistan for 6 months before being rescued.
John Salusbury was eldest boy, went to Addiscombe Military College and went to India as an engineer, and later his specialty became railway engineering.
His brother William Spottiswoode Trevor also went to Addsicombe, became an engineer, and won the Victoria Cross in India in 1858.
Next brother was Salusbury Thomas Trevor who joined Bengal Engineers
Next brother Edward Walter Trevor who went to India in 103rd regiment and wasn't an engineer.
Last brother Arthur Charles Trevor joined Indian Civil Service and ended up knighted.
From his obituary in appears that somewhere between 1859 and 1864 that John Salusbury Trevor got malaria and was sent back from India to recover.
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Grrrrr
TWO Captain Salisbury Trevor's ~
What are the odds ?
Tara
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Thanks for the input!
Aghadowey - the Welsh Trevor's you mention are second or third cousins to J S Trevor. The common ancestor is the Reverend Thomas Trevor Trevor (born Humphreys) who was clergyman in Chester.
The name Salusbury as a first or second name occurs in about 5 generations of the family. (Early on it is Salusbury and later on starts to change to Salisbury).
I've trawled the FIBIS database the last ten years exploring shipping records, bonds, as well as BDM records....and it has been very helpful...and been worth revisiting as I've collected more detail. For instance it had no relevance to me that Mary Trevor nee Spottiswoode had her shipping bond paid for by a Samuel Worrall...until later research revealed that her older sister Catherine who had gone out to India earlier, was widowed and remarried a Henry Lechmere Worrall - whose father was Samuel. So in fact the father-in-law of her sister paid for the unmarried sisters to go to India on husband catching mission - I guess rather than end up spinsters living with them.
This same branch of the family - one of J S Trevor's cousins Catherine Henrietta Worrall - married Sir Simeon Stuart - and in the 1860 to 1870 period occupied Mount Kennedy House in Newmountkennedy south of Dublin.
I haven't found marriage records in India for JS Trevor, nor in Ireland or the UK to a Mary Fitzgerald. But E F Trevor's marriage certificate definitely states his mother was Mary Trevor nee Fitzgerald.
It's been very frustrating. :-D
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Rostrevor, Co. Down: its name. With a pedigree of the Trevor family.
Main Author: Hamilton, Gustavus E.
Citation: The Journal of the Royal Society of Antiquaries of Ireland , Ser. 6, Vol. V, pp. 313-314, 1915
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Hi Sharon
It certainly appears then that Edward was illegitimate.
I suppose a positive we can take from this was that at least John acknowledged his son and 'let' the child have his name.
We know there was 'some' contact ~ well we know they were on the 1871 census together ~ I suppose this contact could have just been limited to that brief period.
How much work have you done on the people he is with on later census to see if there is a connection back to the Fitzgerald's ?
The main positive to be taken from all this is that Edward knew and documented who both his parent's were.
So, back to Fitzgerald's and Dublin.
The main downside here is the time period.
Edward was born JUST before civil registration so you won't get a birth cert for him ~ so that leaves us looking for baptisms and that's where it gets super tricky.
Edward says he was born in Dublin, that doesn't mean he was baptised in Dublin.
He may not have been baptised at all.
His mother MAY have been Catholic which, if Edward WAS baptised means he COULD have been baptised a Catholic.
So, all in all, this means looking for a POSSIBLE baptism in pretty much every church in Ireland for a two year variable time period at least.
Even if you were to hit gold and find it, baptisms don't always glean a lot of leads.
Hum,
Have you tried rootsireland ?
They are a sub site and it"s an expensive option if you have just one record to look for.
Tara