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Hi
My husband has been researching and received lots of help, thought maybe I would try :)
I would be grateful for any suggestions on tracing my grandma's father.
I have my grandma's birth certificate from 1913 but her father isn't listed.
She was born out of marriage and it was a topic that was not discussed. My grandma unfortunately died before I was old enough to have broached the subject and my mum was only given sketchy details. Basically, we have no information on the father.
My great grandma lived in Ireland but was sent to stay with a family in Sheffield for the pregnancy. She had my grandma and then returned to Ireland. My grandma was then brought up by the family in Sheffield.
I believe this family in Sheffiled were connected to my great grandma but have been unable to make any connections or find any further information.
Thank you for any thoughts!
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Occasionally the father is named on the baptism records - but not always, but worth a shot
If you give the names and dates that you know (of people who you know have died) then there are fantastic researchers on here who break down many brick walls and may find the connection for you
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Ok , that would be fantastic
My grandma was Rhoda Jowett Stimpson born 02/01/1913, died 19/12/1994
Great grandma was Hilda Stimpson who was born 1892 in Sheffield and then later moved to Ireland with her family. She is on the 1911 census in Magherafelt. She died in June 1982
The Jowett in my grandma's name I am told came from the family she lived with in Sheffield but I have found nothing to back this up.
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Hi
Welcome to rootschat
Does Rhoda's birth certificate give an address in Sheffield
Rosie
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Hi,
Charles Henry Stimson born Sheffield abt 1866 married Sarah Jane Wilkinson Sept Q 1891 Sheffield.
In 1901 Census they are living Staveley, Derbyshire with the following children:-
Hilda Stimpson 9 Born Sheffield abt 1892
Dorothy Stimpson 7 " Staveley abt 1894
May Stimpson 5 " " abt 1896.
1891 Census Brightside Bierlow
There is a Charles H. Stimpson born abt 1865 Sheffield a Railway Porter living as a Boarder with
the Jowett Family:-
John Jowett 33 Painter born Belper Derbyshire
Ellen Jowett 31 " Sheffield
Cornelious J Jowett 12 " "
Just wondered if this was the Jowett connection.
Spendlove
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Hi,
Charles Henry Stimson born Sheffield abt 1866 married Sarah Jane Wilkinson Sept Q 1891 Sheffield.
In 1901 Census they are living Staveley, Derbyshire with the following children:-
Hilda Stimpson 9 Born Sheffield abt 1892
Dorothy Stimpson 7 " Staveley abt 1894
May Stimpson 5 " " abt 1896.
1891 Census Brightside Bierlow
There is a Charles H. Stimpson born abt 1865 Sheffield a Railway Porter living as a Boarder with
the Jowett Family:-
John Jowett 33 Painter born Belper Derbyshire
Ellen Jowett 31 " Sheffield
Cornelious J Jowett 12 " "
Just wondered if this was the Jowett connection.
Spendlove
I think you've hit the nail on the head there! well done. There is a child name Cornelius born 1903 to Charles Henry and Sarah.
Margaret
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1911 census details removed, please see http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=355486.0
Margaret
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Cornelius John Jowett was baptised at St Peter's, Belper on 5 Jan 1879 - parents John William and Helen.
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Helen (aka "Ellen") Jowett was nee Stim(p)son, a sister of Charles Henry. She and John William and baby Cornelius* are together with the Stimsons in 1881:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XQN8-WHG
*NB you will see that the surname of Helen, John and Cornelius shows as FORNCETT rather than Jowett, and that seems a fair reading of the enumerator's summary schedule. It could just be that this was the best the enumerator could make out from the household schedule, which of course we cannot see for ourselves.
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Hi,
Sure previous post is the connection and this takes you back further:-
John William Jouett = Helen Stimson June Q 1878 Sheffield.
Registered with incorrect spelling of both surnames.
1881 Census Brightside Bierlow
Piece -4657, Folio - 44, Pages 22 and 23
They are still having trouble with the Jowett name it is listed as Forncett and Stimson no P:-
Robert Stimson 60
Lenetta Stimson 55
John E. Stimson 22
Charles H. Stimson 15
Lenitta Stimson 12
Helen Forncett 21
John W. Forncett 23 Belper Derbyshire
Cornelius J. Forncett 2
Spendlove
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It is definitely Forncett on the census return. I wonder if they changed their name for some reason.
On second thoughts the fact that it has a double T at the end preceded by an e makes just an error by the enumerator.
Margaret
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Thank you Rosie.
Rosie the address on Rhoda's birth certificate is 63 Tullibardine Road, district of Ecclesall Bierlow
We have been led to believe this is where the Jowett family were....
Just looking at the information above (blimey!) some of which I do recognise and have found in my research. I don't recognise the John William Jowett details..... Shall be looking at that, thank you!
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Thank you Rosie.
Rosie the address on Rhoda's birth certificate is 63 Tullibardine Road, district of Ecclesall Bierlow
We have been led to believe this is where the Jowett family were....
Just looking at the information above (blimey!) some of which I do recognise and have found in my research. I don't recognise the John William Jowett details..... Shall be looking at that, thank you!
1911 census details removed, please see http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=355486.0
Margaret
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Thank you for all your comments. Much appreciated
Can't believe that the details I needed were there all along, just got too bogged down with the tree and hadn't made the Forncett connection.....
Now onto Rhoda's father, I will try looking for baptism records...
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After yesterday's help, I've been able to make sense of the Jowett family details :), there are various addresses but none that match Rhoda's birth certificate. I guess it does make sense that Rhoda would be with Cornelius and his family at Woodstock Road, wish I could confirm it as I know my mum would love to know Rhoda was with close family.
Searching online for baptism records for Rhoda but no records as yet. Baptism records are a new search for me so I'm not sure how much I need to know to search further?
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Thank you Rosie.
Rosie the address on Rhoda's birth certificate is 63 Tullibardine Road, district of Ecclesall Bierlow
We have been led to believe this is where the Jowett family were....
Just looking at the information above (blimey!) some of which I do recognise and have found in my research. I don't recognise the John William Jowett details..... Shall be looking at that, thank you!
1911 census details removed, please see http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=355486.0
Margaret
Apologies - I omitted to fully read the T&Cs before posting the 1911 information.
Margaret
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I have looked up the birth address for Rhoda and see it is a private house - sometimes addresses on birth certs are hospitals!
You could ask the library local to the address to tell you who was on the Electoral Register for the address at the time of the birth and a few years afterwards.
You could do the same for the Jowetts address to see if they stayed there from 1911 and after they took Rhoda in.
Margaret
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Thanks Margaret. I have been in contact with the Ecclesall library but they don't hold those kind of records. They suggested emailing Sheffield archives and so I'm now waiting to hear back.....
In the meantime, I have dug Rhoda's marriage certificate out again, and her address on that is 24 Woodstock Road in 1937.....and I've found Cornelius still at no.28 in 1925.... Hoping there is a connection
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I am sure there is a connection as Cornelius' mother was Rhoda's aunt by the look of it. So she was brought up by family and I bet her mother was kept fully informed throughout her life of what was happening.
Margaret
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Hi
I have received further information from the Sheffiield Archives concerning 24 Woodstock Road for the 1936-1937 electoral register which has confused things even more.
John Lockwood
Ellen Roberts
Rhoda Jowett
George Pickup
By the register for 1938-39, the names are Rhoda & Cyril Howard only.
Cornelius is still listed at 28 Woodstock Road in 1938-39.
So 28 Woodstock wasn't the answer I thought it might be....