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I've tried multiple times to find information on my 2xGreat Grandfather Walter Skelton to no avail. My grandma has always believed that he was Irish. He married into a staunchly Methodist family and would join them for church on a Sunday but would go straight to the Pub afterwards rather than go home with the family. However I'm struggling to find any proof, or any record of him in liverpool or Ireland.
In the 1871 census I find him, at the age of 15, listed as Relative living with a Cullen/Culten family from Wexford and Ireland. They lived in Liverpool and Walter is listed as being born in Liverpool. (Birth year-1856)
In 1881 he had moved to live with the Brown family, his future in-laws, at the age of 22. (Birth Year-1859)
In 1891 he still lived with the Browns but now was suddenly 38. (Birth year-1853)
In 1892, at the age of 30, Walter married Jane Brown. He listed his father as James Skelton (deceased). (Birth Year-1862)
In 1901, at the age of 42, Walter was living with his wife and children. (Birth Year-1862)
In 1911, at the age of 49, Walter was living with his wife and children. (Birth Year-1865)
In 1919, in his burial record, he is listed as being 57. (Birth year - 1862)
If anyone could help to prove wether he was Irish or English, or could provide any advice on how I could find out would be greatly appreciated.
Ieuan
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Although his age does vary a bit (not uncommon really) does his birhplace ever say Ireland?
If he was born in England you can check FreeBMD website for possibilities.
Not sure how you've tried to find a record of him in Ireland since birth registration only started there in 1864.
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Hi
There is this birth in Liverpool
Births December qtr 1854
Walter Skelton Liverpool 8b 52
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He's never listed as being born in Ireland, only as Relatives of an Irish family. I tried searching on the 'Catholic Parish Registers at NLI site'.
I've tried to find that registration on both Ancestry and LancashireBMD but can't find it. Is there anyway you could send a link to where you found it.
Thanks
Ieuan
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Any help
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2XSY-93C
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Hi
I found it on freebmd but is is also on Family Search as shown in the reply above
www.freebmd.org.uk
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Hi, On Familysearch.org there are records for Walter Skelton in Newtownbarry (Bunclody) Co Wexford. I saw Skeltons listed on registersnli.ie I think in Marshallstown parish. There were Skeltons living around Bunclody area a few years ago Good luck
Ronnie
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Thanks a lot everyone. I've just ordered the Birth Certificate so hopefully if thats right i can start moving further back on his line. If not I'll be sure to check out family search to see if I can see him on there. I'll let you all know when it gets here.
Ieuan
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So I've got an update.
I got the Birth Certificate and it seems right so I've got a family group of sorts.
James Skelton m Johanna Doyle 1853 in Liverpool (waiting for the certificate to be delivered)
1st son - Jacob Skelton b.1853
2nd son - Walter Skelton b.1854
1st dau - Johanna Skelton b.1859
However I can't seem to find them on any census records in 1861 and I can only find Walter from 1871 onwards. Hopefully the marriage certificate will give me some more information on Walters parents but if anyone could help find these census records it would be greatly appreciated.
Ieuan
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Hi
Given that Walter was born in Liverpool then you need to ask the moderator to move this to the relevant board to get local help !
Tara
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From freebmd
Deaths September qtr 1861
Johanna Skelton West Derby 8b 241
May not be mother Johanna as there is this birth as per your earlier reply
Births June qtr 1859
Johanna Skelton West Derby 8b 234
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I've messaged to get the forum moved over.
I thought that was the case but even if she died in the third quarter it does not explain why I can't find her or her family on any of the 61 censuses. Thank you for the information anyway, small steps and I'll get there eventually =)
Ieuan
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I've sent a message about getting this moved to the Lancashire page but nothing has happened. Not sure what else I can do about that.
However I now have the Marriage Record for James and Johanna. I haven't been able to find any records of them in Ireland so any help would be appreciated as I haven't done any Irish research before.
James Skelton 29 (b.1824) Labourer son of Walts (poss Walter) Skelton Labourer
Johanna Doyle 25 (b.1829) daughter of Murtha? Doyle Farmer
They married in Saint John's RC Church in Liverpool on the 11th April 1853.
The only lead I have to Ireland is that their son Walter appears as a 'Relative' to a Cullen/Culton family from Wexford in 1871.
Any help appreciated
Ieuan
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The 1861 death was an infant death but the record is in Latin as it was a Catholic burial at St Oswalds
Died 26.8.1861 - Johannes Skelton of Napier St - infant - buried 27.8.1861
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http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/wexford/stmarysnewtownbarry.htm
A Walter Skelton.
This would be the timeline for him to be YOUR Walter's grandfather !
Tara
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Walter Skelton Newtownbarry.
Nli.is for that parish only begins in 1834 so too late to find James.
rootsireland don't have the parish at all.
Tara
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http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634029
I suggest you go through the parish though as you may find a later sibling to James.
Tara
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https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FTWC-RNG
Possible death of Walter.
Tara
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Findmypast are free this weekend so I suggest you look at all the Walter Skelton petty session records in Newtownbarry.
Tara
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/01g5y/
Tara
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I have a paid membership to findmypast anyway so that won't be a problem. I'm not sure that death is the right Walter as his birth is 1813 which is only just 10 years before 1824. Thanks for looking anyway and I thought that Walter Skelton was probably right in Glaslacken in the Griffiths Valuation but it's nice to see someone else confirm it.
Thank as well Carole, good to be able to confirm which Johanna the burial was for.
Thanks everyone for their help, I'll let you know if I find any more.
Ieuan
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Death ages aren't always right ~ most were guesswork.
Death certs here don't often give great leads ~ next of kin registering the death can be the best lead but sometimes it can just be a doctor or neighbour.
Tara
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Oh and just to note:
We are still just working on a presumption that your Skeletons were originally from Wexford, based on Walter lodging with a Wexford family.
While Walter Skelton isn't a common Irish name it does crop up elsewhere so treat Wexford 'lightly' for now.
Did you find James on any other census with a county of origin ?
Tara
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Yeh i'm keeping all this research purely on paper till I can confirm that the Wexford Walter Skelton is correct.
No I've been unable to find James Skelton, Johanna Doyle or Jacob Skelton on any census records and only have the younger Walter on censuses from 71 and later.
Looking at the petty sessions records there are 5 appearances of Walter Skelton of Glaslacken owing money through loans and such between 1838 and 1850. Is this normal as it seems to amount to him taking a total amount of loans of at least £7 9s 12d.
Ieuan
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Hum,
That's a fair amount of money for back then.
It was the run up to Great Famine too so I'm surprised anyone was getting / giving loans.
While it's great to see Petty Session records I sure wish there was more info on them for us genealogists ;D
Tara