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I would be most grateful for a look up of the marriage register for this marriage that took place on 21 Jul 1783 in Belton, Rutland. I wondered whether there might be extra information available such as whether either had been widowed or came from another parish.
Thank you
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Sorry I cant help with the Marriage but this may be George;
GEORGE Isset, Male, Baptism Date: 8 Jun 1760, Braunston, Rutland, England
Father: William Isset
Mother: Rachel
(Source England Births/Christenings on Anc.)
Other Children;
St Peters, Belton, Rutland
CATHERINE Issit, 23 June 1761
THOS Isset, 30 July 1769
ELIZABETH Isset, 24 April 1772, buried 7 June 1772
ROBERT Isset, 31 July 1774
ELIZABETH Issit, 26 July 1778
Parents WILLIAM/RACHALL or Rachel/Rachal
(Source FreeREG)
Baptised Same Church to GEORGE/ANN;
WM, 28 Feb 1791
ELIZ, 18 Oct 1792
(Parents described as Paupers)
Baptsied to THOS/RACHEL same Church ( I presume the Thomas born 1769)
ANN, 20 Jul 1795
MARY, 5 Dec 1796 (Thomas/Rachael), buried 1 July 1797
JANE, June 1798, buried 6 June 1801
ANN, 20 April 1800, buried 8 Sept 1800
To ROBERT/ELIZABETH same Church (I presume the Robert born 1774)
WM, 22 April 1810 (birth 17 Nov 1808)
FRANCIS, 22 April 1810
THOS, 19 Jan 1812 (Twin)
ELIZ, 19 Jan 1812 (Twin)
(FreeREG)
Burial same Church;
RACHEL, 25 May 1797, Widow of (not named) but likely the one married to William
(FreeREG)
Hopefully someone can find the Marriage for you :)
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Thank you so much, Trish
Some of that I had already, but by no means all.
Barbara
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Hi Barbara,
I was looking at a couple of Trees with William 1791 married to a Hannah. Daughter Judith born c 1832 Leicestershire.
Found this 1841 under SPETT;
Image is Isset to me.
1841 Census
Keythorpe House
Tugby, Leicestershire
HO107/591/198/Tugby
William Isset, 50, Ag Lab
Hannah, 45
Judith, 11*****
Looks like a large property, all on page seem to work for Stephen Chapman a Grazier
Trouble is this Judith (now Married by 1851 Census) doesnt have a Father born Rutland ???
1851 Census
Tugby, Leics
HO107/2080/56/29
William Issitt, 66, Head, Mar, Cottager occcupying about 17 Acres, born Heythorp Lodge, Leicestershire (Keythorpe)
Hannah Issitt, 59, Wife, Mar, born Medbourne, Leicestershire
Mary Issitt, 2, Grand/Daug, born Keythorpe Ludge, Leicestershire
Eli Pateman, 33, Visitor, Mar, Shepherd, born Hallaton, Leicestershire
All down as born in County
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Hi Trish
This is the family I am trying to trace back. Judith is my gg grandmother. She had an illegitimate child (the granddaughter Mary in the 51 census), then married in 1850 William Simkin of Hallaton who was a widower.
Hannah Holmes, b Medbourne, her mother, married William Issit b 1791 in Tugby in 1815. The bmds seem to be in Belton, Tugby and occasionally East Norton. I have found mention of an Isset's Lodge at Keythorpe.
Looking at the photographs I don't think they lived in the Hall!
Barbara
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Hi
The marriage gives no further information as to parish etc.
21 July 1783 Belton
George Issett and Ann COCHIS.
Belton burials
.9 June 1790 Catherine Issett daughter of George & Ann
14 Nov 1792 Elizabeth Issitt daughter of George & Ann
15 Mar 1791 William Issitt son of George & Ann.... pauper
Belton Baptisms
1 June 1788 Catherine
18 Oct 1792 Elizabeth (pauper)
14 Feb 1785 Mary
28 Feb 1791 William
all children of George & Ann
Regards
Bunnygirl
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Well, that has thrown all my preconceived ideas out of the window. I has assumed that the William born in 1791 was my ancestor and now you have discovered he died as an infant. Back to the drawing board.
Thank you so much, Bunnygirl, for redirecting my search. If Elizabeth was born the following year, there doesn't seem much time for another William to be born in the meantime. I will have to try again.
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Thanks for that info Bunnygirl.
It confirms what I was trying to say;;
Trouble is this Judith (now Married by 1851 Census) doesnt have a Father born Rutland .
So your William was born c 1786 Keythorpe. Leics, according to the 1851 Census.
Another question;
I cant find the Marriage of Judith Issitt/William Simkin.
Do you actually have the M/C Vixen60?
Is there a Ref for it on FreeBMD?
I can find Judith Issitt Marriage 1850 but no cross reference to William marrying that year.
If you have the M/C I would be interested to see what it said.
Trish :)
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Hi Trish
I have a copy of the marriage certificate of Judith to William Simkin (widower) on 9th December 1850.
Her father described as William Issit shepherd. Witnesses are Eliza N(H)orton and William Haines, Harper or Warmer- a bit indecipherable.
I originally thought that William Issit was 60 on the 51 census, but a closer look is more like 66 than 60. Although it says he was born at Keythorpe Lodge, I thought it was not beyond the bounds of possiblity that he had been baptised at Belton, which seemed to be the home of a lot of Issits/Issets.
I found another William Isset whom I considered strongly. He appears to have baptised at Tugby on 21 September 1783. On the whole I think he is a much better candidate in terms of birth date and place. He also has a sister Judith. Parents William and Mary.
Tugby, Leics, Eng. Not in the records of Family Search but in the genealogies if you seach Issits in Tugby.
Also found a widower William Issit marrying a Mary Jennals in Titlton on the Hill in 1783. His daughter Judith bp in 1780 at Tugby also had a mother Mary, though he may have married 2 Marys.
I'm interested to know why he called his second daughter Jane.
Thank you for your help in making me think straight.
Regards
Barbara
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Hi Trish
This is the family I am trying to trace back. Judith is my gg grandmother. She had an illegitimate child (the granddaughter Mary in the 51 census), then married in 1850 William Simkin of Hallaton who was a widower.
In case you don't already have it, Mary was baptised at Tugby 28 May 1848, base born daughter of Judith, a spinster of Keythorpe Lodge.
Judith was baptised 5 Sep 1830 d/o William & Hannah of Keythorpe Lodge, Grazier
The baptisms of William & Hannah's children almost all describe him as a grazier of Keythorpe, except for Hannah 1823 which describes him as a labourer.
The earliest entry I can find for the Isset's of Keythorpe is the burial on 8 Sep 1699 at Tugby of Priscilla Isset, wife of Robert of Keythorpe. Prior to that there is a baptism of Thomas Isset on 4 Aug 1688, son of Robert & Priscilla - no abode given.
Robert may have married again following Priscilla's death:
2 Nov 1701 baptism John s/o Robert Isset of Keythorpe Lodge - buried 5 July 1702
26 Sep 1702 baptism Robert s/o Robert Isset of Keythorpe Lodge
8 Oct 1703 burial of Jane, wife of Robert Isset
14 Oct 1703 baptism Edward, son of Robert Isset of Keythorpe Lodge
The only burial I can find for Robert is 26 Feb 1763: Robert Isset of Keythorpe, aged 88, which would fit with the death of Priscilla in 1699 but make him only 13 when Thomas was born in 1688, unless there's been a transcription error and it should be 1698 :-\ I also have the burial on 23 Mar 1750 of Ann, wife of Robert Isset of Keythorpe ???
I'm struggling to connect the generations to William baptised 21 Sep 1783, but they certainly seem to have a long connection to Keythorpe. The name Judith first appears in 1742 as the wife of William, and in 1744 (baptism of James) they are described as 'of Keythorpe'.
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Hi
There are some Wills that may be of help to you, I don't no if you are aware of them? They are as follows;
Leicestershire Archdeaconry Court
1791 Issett William (Grazier) of Keythorpe Lodge of Tugby PR/T1791/96
1817 Issett William (The elder Grazier) of Keythorpe Lodge of Tugby PR/T 1817 /109
Also these,
Consistory Court of Peterborough
2 April 1733 Issett Edward of Manton Will
1614 Issiot als Allin Elizabeth (Widow) of Belton Book 9 page 15
Court of Archdeaconry of Northampton
1541-1557 Isiype Robert of Edith Weston Book k Page 155
Hope these help in your search
Bunnygirl
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Such a wealth of information.
Re Robert Isset's burial, I have it recorded as 1753 and 1763. Are you sure of the 63 date. it makes sense if it is 53.
I think Robert may married 3 times
Priscilla, children
Thomas 1688
Priscilla 1690 bap 3/6/1692
Jane buried 5/7/1703
John 1701 bp 2/11/poss died 1703,
Robert bp 26/9/1702
Edward bp 14/10/1703
Ann (maybe) possible burial 1750
William very speculative b 1711 (calc from date of death) died 1791 may have married Judith How 22/5/1740 with a son born 1748 who may just be the father of the William born in 1783
Bunnygirl
Thank you for the will info. Follow up pending.
Jomot
Thank you for all that info. It gells with what I had previously found out. Particularly interesting was the baptism of James (of Keythorpe).. That seems to tie things together nicely.
We are going away on holiday in two days time. I think I had better start packing and leave any further research till I get back. I will let you know how I get on with the wills as soon as possible. They look very promising.
Barbara
Robert
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Re Robert Isset's burial, I have it recorded as 1753 and 1763. Are you sure of the 63 date. it makes sense if it is 53.
My apologies - it is indeed 1753
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One more piece of information that may or may not be of use:
Issitt, Mary 1800 Settlement Certificate. First Parish: Hallaton, Second Parish: Tugby
ROLLR Reference No: 1556/100/46
Enjoy your holiday :D