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Title: where is mary ellen pre 1901 (born 1830 berwick-upon-tweed)?
Post by: durhamgirl73 on Friday 18 September 15 20:44 BST (UK)
Mary ellen hindmarch married matthew macnay in 1889 tynemouth - i have found them on the 1901 census but trying to find her in 1891- a married matthew mac nay is living with his daughters margaret and sarah in long benton northumberland but where is mary ellen?

matthew is my relative im just trying to find out if hindmarch is mary ellen's birth name therefore trying to find her 1841-1891
Title: Re: mary ellen born 1830 berwick-upon-tweed
Post by: keyboard86 on Friday 18 September 15 21:09 BST (UK)
Hi was he married to a Jane in 1881 Census Matthew Mcnay aged 54 occ Coal Miner b Wallsend?
Census ref RG11/4947/51/97
Keyboard86
Title: Re: mary ellen born 1830 berwick-upon-tweed
Post by: durhamgirl73 on Friday 18 September 15 21:21 BST (UK)
Yes thats correct...jane died in 1888 tynemouth (listed as june macnay)
Title: Re: where is mary ellen - born 1830 berwick-upon-tweed?
Post by: durhamgirl73 on Saturday 19 September 15 01:00 BST (UK)
Ive tried every combination but still cant find mary ellen pre 1901
Title: Re: where is mary ellen pre 1901 (born 1830 berwick-upon-tweed)?
Post by: bootzy on Saturday 19 September 15 02:03 BST (UK)
Hi Durhamgirl, have you bought the marriage certificate for their marriage? father's name would help on search..
Matthew age 21 married Jane Twist age 18 2 Aug 1852 Prescot Lancs - his father = Thomas and Jane's = Paul

Matthew Macney married Mary Ann Hindmarch 19 Oct 1889 Long Benton Northumberland (England select Marriages) FHL film no: 1469112

1901 census shows Matthew is age 75 and Mary is 71 and she was born Berwick-Upon-Tweed Northumberland
a possible.. Mary Macnay death April  qtr 1902 Tynemouth Northumberland age 73  Vol 10b Page 163

regards
Val
Title: Re: where is mary ellen pre 1901 (born 1830 berwick-upon-tweed)?
Post by: durhamgirl73 on Saturday 19 September 15 09:28 BST (UK)
Thankyou for taking the time to look this up...i already have all this information..i will eventually get round to buying the marriage certificate but was trying to find her in 1891....matthew and mary got married a couple of years earlier but shes not with him in 1891 so im trying to find her....with no joy
Title: Re: where is mary ellen pre 1901 (born 1830 berwick-upon-tweed)?
Post by: durhamgirl73 on Saturday 19 September 15 13:24 BST (UK)
This one is a mystery...still cant find her
Title: Re: where is mary ellen pre 1901 (born 1830 berwick-upon-tweed)?
Post by: durhamgirl73 on Saturday 19 September 15 20:42 BST (UK)
Decided to order marriage certificate....just waiting for it to say father unknown....still need help finding her in 1891 shes married to matthew but not on the census with him
Title: Re: where is mary ellen pre 1901 (born 1830 berwick-upon-tweed)?
Post by: Ladyhawk on Saturday 19 September 15 21:50 BST (UK)
Mary ellen hindmarch married matthew macnay in 1889 tynemouth

Not sure if this is them but thought I'd post anyway....

1891 census RG12 4233 26 7

Cross Row, Longbenton, Tynemouth, Northumberland, England
Mathew Henry MCNAY 22 b 1869 Gumley Leic.
Mary Ellen 18 b1873 West moor Northumberland
Edward son born 1891 West Moor Northumerland

1901 RG13; Piece: 4807; Folio: 187; Page: 33
surname transcribed as MARNEY
Mathew H 32, Mary Ell 28, Edward 10, Jane 8, Mary Alice 6, Mathew H 2, Elizabeth H 3mths

Have a look at the 1911 census for above couple they have lots more children
one daughter had middle name of HINDMARSH born 1901

this looks to be her death

Elizabeth Hindmarsh Heron age 73 (1901)
Date of Registration:   Mar 1974
Newcastle upon Tyne Northumberland Volume:   1b Page:   150

1881c Mary Ellen Hindmarch born 1873 West Moor
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XQC5-JHY
Title: Re: where is mary ellen pre 1901 (born 1830 berwick-upon-tweed)?
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Saturday 19 September 15 22:02 BST (UK)
Mary Ellen in 1881 - Cross Row, Long Benton. all b west Moor, except for mother b Willington

Edward Hindmarch            42 - coal miner
Elizabeth Jane Hindmarch    35
Margaret M. Hindmarch    17 - general servant
James Hindmarch            11 - scholar
Mary Ellen Hindmarch    8 - scholar
Adam Hindmarch            4
John George Hindmarch    2

RG11, 5086, 118, 15
Title: Re: where is mary ellen pre 1901 (born 1830 berwick-upon-tweed)?
Post by: Ladyhawk on Saturday 19 September 15 22:09 BST (UK)
No parents names given England Select marriages index only - see reply 8 posted re: 1881c familysearch - Mabel has also posted the same details above)

Mary Ellen Hindmarch age 17 (1872)
Marriage Date:   19 Oct 1889 Long Benton, Northumberland, England
Matthew Macney age 21 (1868)

death entries

Mary E Macnay age 80 (1873)
Mar 1953 Northumberland Volume:   1b Page:   452

Matthew H Macnay age 76 (1869)
Jun 1945 Northumberland Central Volume:   10b Page:   424

pedigree tree family search MacNay/Twist/Hindmarsh
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:3QVR-PSG

You would need to verify the info. but I see from your post you have ordered the m/c so
hopefully this will confirm parents for Mary & Matthew

Title: Re: where is mary ellen pre 1901 (born 1830 berwick-upon-tweed)?
Post by: durhamgirl73 on Saturday 19 September 15 22:46 BST (UK)
I think ive spent so much time on this ive got myself confused....looks like ive ordered marriage certificate for matthews son who is also matthew and looking over census he is married to a mary ellen, his dad is married to a mary...going to have to look again tomorrow with fresh eyes

help...is it possible to change an order from the general register office...looks like marriage is to mary duncan mcgregor
Title: Re: where is mary ellen pre 1901 (born 1830 berwick-upon-tweed)?
Post by: Ladyhawk on Sunday 20 September 15 07:29 BST (UK)

help...is it possible to change an order from the general register office...

looks like marriage is to mary duncan mcgregor


Sorry don't know the answer to that  ???

for info this looks as if it might be her on 1891 census but born Scotland

1891 RG12; Piece: 4172; Folio: 7; Page: 8
Mary Duncan McGregor WID 61 Scotland
James Duncan McGregor son 21 New Evington, Durham

her son's birth entry

James Duncan McGregor
1869 Jul-Aug-Sep Houghton le Spring Durham Volume:   10a Page:   412

I wonder if this might be Mary & James on 1881 census

1881 RG11; Piece: 4975; Folio: 10; Page: 13
William Duncan McGREGOR 56 Scotland coal miner
MARY 55 (1826) BERWICK dittoed Scotland
William Duncan McGregor 16 (1865) coal miner Washington Durham
James Duncan McGeorge 11 (1870) Hanton
Elizabeth McGeorge 10 (1871)



Title: Re: where is mary ellen pre 1901 (born 1830 berwick-upon-tweed)?
Post by: durhamgirl73 on Sunday 20 September 15 12:14 BST (UK)
Thanks for the info

1871 mary magregon husband listed as william dorkin moggugor

i had to laugh

Marriage william duncan mcgregor to mary anderson 1863

now looking for mary anderson 1861 census...children edward 5 mary 3
Title: Re: where is mary ellen pre 1901 (born 1830 berwick-upon-tweed)?
Post by: Ladyhawk on Sunday 20 September 15 13:43 BST (UK)

Marriage william duncan mcgregor to mary anderson 1863


Marriage William to Mary ANDERSON
13 Apr 1863 Middlesbrough York
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N29X-K54
Mary’s father’s named as Robert HOW

Not sure if this might be her with parents & siblings living Berwick on Tweed 1841
Mary HOW age 13 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7WF-QBT

If you are using Anc* surname transcribed as HORD  ::)

Mary not with her family on 1851 census
HO107 ; Piece: 2421; Folio: 542; Page: 24
surname transcribed HOWE

possible Berwick on Tweed baptisms of younger siblings of Mary How
1833 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NBRP-ZD4
1836 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NRY4-HVS
1838  https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NY8L-QJX
1840 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NY8L-QJX
Title: Re: where is mary ellen pre 1901 (born 1830 berwick-upon-tweed)?
Post by: durhamgirl73 on Sunday 20 September 15 15:45 BST (UK)
thankyou

ok so now im looking for:

1. Mary How/Anderson born 1830 Berwick in 1851 census
   
2. Marriage for Mary How to ? Anderson
   (father Robert How)

3. Mary Anderson 1861 census possibly with Edward Anderson (5) born south shields and Mary Anderson (3) born yorkshire (reference 1871 census)

all help appreciated
Title: Re: where is mary ellen pre 1901 (born 1830 berwick-upon-tweed)?
Post by: Ladyhawk on Sunday 20 September 15 16:09 BST (UK)

Mary How/Anderson born 1830 Berwick in 1851 census
   

Possible contender 1851 although pob Scotland  :-\

Mary Howe Age: 24 abt 1827
Relation:   Domestic Servant
Civil Parish:   Ancroft County/Island: Northumberland Registration district: Berwick
Piece: 2421 Folio:   91 Page Number:   34
Title: Re: where is mary ellen pre 1901 (born 1830 berwick-upon-tweed)?
Post by: durhamgirl73 on Sunday 20 September 15 16:13 BST (UK)
ive just found mary anderson on 1861 census with edward and mary (as anderton) in ormsby

just need a marriage for mary how and ? anderson possibly 1851-56

Title: Re: where is mary ellen pre 1901 (born 1830 berwick-upon-tweed)?
Post by: Ladyhawk on Sunday 20 September 15 16:21 BST (UK)

Mary Anderson 1861 census possibly with Edward Anderson (5) born south shields and Mary Anderson (3) born yorkshire (reference 1871 census)


posting whilst red

1861c
Mary Anderton age 33 (1828)Wid. Berwick-Upon-Tweed
Civil Parish:   Eston and Ormesby
County/Island:   Yorkshire
Country:   England
Household schedule number:   170
Piece:   3653
Folio:   88
Page Number:   37

Mary Anderton   33
Edward Anderton   5
Mary Anderton   3


Title: Re: where is mary ellen pre 1901 (born 1830 berwick-upon-tweed)?
Post by: durhamgirl73 on Sunday 20 September 15 16:42 BST (UK)
two items ticked off now just :

marriage Mary How(e) and ? Anderson between 1851 and possibly 1856 (edward born)
Title: Re: where is mary ellen pre 1901 (born 1830 berwick-upon-tweed)?
Post by: Ladyhawk on Sunday 20 September 15 16:46 BST (UK)
two items ticked off now just :

marriage Mary How(e) and ? Anderson between 1851 and possibly 1856 (edward born)

Do you think this might be dau. Mary's birth entry & baptism?

Births Jun 1858 Guisbro 9d 418
Mary ANDERTON

Mary ANDERTON Birth Date:   10 May 1858
Baptism Date:   4 Aug 1858
Baptism Place:   Wilton By Redcar,York,England
Father:Henry Anderton Mother: Mary

Redcar is in the registration of Guisbro

There's this Death entry no age given  :(

Jun 1859   
ANDERTON  Henry Guisborough    9d   27[16]