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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cheshire => Topic started by: Toney Dunaway on Tuesday 03 November 15 19:54 GMT (UK)
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I've traced my paternal side back to what seems to be an Edward Downes circa 1600-1645. My research shows that he was part of the Downes family of Pot Shrigley, but I haven't found all of the family lines of that family. I've seen trees that focused on a few of the descendants, to show that they owned property there and got into financial trouble, before letting the property go. I need to know if there is any information on the other descendants of that family. My research shows that Edward left that area and came to America and apparently changed his name to Dunaway, apparently starting the Dunaway line around the Virginia area, leading to Derby or Darby Dunaway.
Again, looking for all information on Edward Downes, circa 1600-1645. Thank you!
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Welcome to RootsChat! ;D
For anyone else, eho like me was wondering . . . Pott Shrigley is in Cheshire! ;D
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Sorry, and thank you :)
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Hi Toney,
I have moved your post to our Cheshire board as it quite specific to this area. :)
Regards
Sarah
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Thank you, Sarah :)
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There is a pedigree of the Cheshire Downes of Pott Shigley and Taxall. Have you not seen it?
The name is particularly common in Cheshire and Lancs
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There is a pedigree of the Cheshire Downes of Pott Shigley and Taxall. Have you not seen it?
The name is particularly common in Cheshire and Lancs
I have seen this pedigree: http://www.thornber.net/cheshire/htmlfiles/pottshrigley.html but it does not list all of the lines/family/descendants. I need to see the ones that are not listed.
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You will find it very difficult unless you get a genealogist.I have taken mine back to 1570 in Nuneaton, Warwickshire. My belief is that my Downes came out of vicar in Nuneaton, George Downes, who the record says 'came out of Cheshire'.
The Downes family certainly ran out of money and heirs in the 18th c. I assume you have seen the Downes Papers that take the family back to 1233? I think there was a quote I read saying that they had insufficient money for dowries and were forced to marry the daughters to professionals arther than the gentry
I think it's in the National Archives. I am surprised your lot changed their name
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You will find it very difficult unless you get a genealogist.I have taken mine back to 1570 in Nuneaton, Warwickshire. My belief is that my Downes came out of vicar in Nuneaton, George Downes, who the record says 'came out of Cheshire'.
The Downes family certainly ran out of money and heirs in the 18th c. I assume you have seen the Downes Papers that take the family back to 1233? I think there was a quote I read saying that they had insufficient money for dowries and were forced to marry the daughters to professionals arther than the gentry
I think it's in the National Archives. I am surprised your lot changed their name
I actually do not think I've seen the Downes Papers going back to 1233. Do you have a link or some resource for me to see? As far as the name change, that's one thing I'm trying to put in concrete...though some research has led me to believe that my paternal line is linked to this line of Downes, I have not yet found a concrete connection, so I'm still not positive. And, if this is true, I DO wonder why the name was changed. Was it because of the financial trouble? Or maybe a civil war? Or something else?
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Here is the link. It's a vast collection!
http://archive.cheshire.gov.uk/CalmView/TreeBrowse.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog&field=RefNo&key=DDS
If you think yours came from Cheshire and they were Downes it is very likely that they are related to
one of the branches. May have changed their name if they were involved in insurrection here in England.
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By the way you will find the name spelt various ways de Dounes de Dounis
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Here is the link. It's a vast collection!
http://archive.cheshire.gov.uk/CalmView/TreeBrowse.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog&field=RefNo&key=DDS
If you think yours came from Cheshire and they were Downes it is very likely that they are related to
one of the branches. May have changed their name if they were involved in insurrection here in England.
Wow! Thank you! Question....do you know, by chance, if any of the Downes may have moved to the Bosham, Sussex area of England around mid-1600's? It seems that it is this time period that the lines on the pedigree start splitting off and not getting recorded. I'm wondering if one of the sons moved to that area and then changed the name.
I have figured out that names, especially the spelling of which, have changed numerous times over the decades and centuries, so I appreciate you pointing out the variations in this spelling :) The same has happened with my current surname.
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You may not like this very much but the reason that Edward may have changed his name was to escape from the ignominy of being a son of Colonel John Downes, the regicide. ThisDownes was of the Cheshire family and escaped execution.
Take a look at the link. The children were born in Sussex and one died in America
http://johndownesregicide.hpage.com/
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Here is the relevant bit from that website I sent
Children (born Billingshurst, Sussex)
1. John 21 December 1638
2. Richard 3 October 1640, (died 1679 in New Haven, CT?)
3. Elizabeth 12 July 1642
Did you know that the Dun in your name is old English for Downs, or dweller by the Downs?
Downsgoneaway? Just an idea
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Wow, this is amazing!
As far as the "I may not like it" thing, I totally understand and have no romantic ideas about what "could" be my ancestry :) I just want to know the truth of where I came from :) So this information is very gladly accepted! Now, the moving to CT part doesn't exactly fit into my research so far, but moving to Sussex does. From Sussex, I've found a William Dunaway who had three kids, at least one of which moved to Virginia, a John Dunaway who is either a brother or father of Derby Dunaway, who is my direct ancestor.. So the information you've just provided may be massively helpful. I just have to dig deeper into it.
As far as the Dun, I have found that it's connected to Down or Downes, etc, and that all seem to have a similar etymology background.