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I am in a dilemma as I cannot locate my great grandfather – William Francis Pearce.
All I know is that he was born in Sydenham, London around 1871.
His parents were Lucy Sullivan and George Pearce.
He died here in Australia in 1923 after being here for around 30 years. I cannot find any immigration records for him either, which should be around 1893?
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davheid67,
where about in Aust did he go to?
cheers
Yonks
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Is there a reason why you posted this under Gloucestershire?
Sydenham was in Kent! ;
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David his death certificate should details of which states Wm lived in or did he live those 30 years in NSW?
Death NSW
5754/1923
PEARCE William
Father George Mother Lucy
District Redfern
Sydney Morning Herald 13 Jun 1923
DEATHS
PEARCE June 11, at the Coast Hospital, William Francis Pearce, beloved husband of Annie Pearce.
Marriage
5062/1905
PEARCE William F
BERKLEY Annie
District Redfern
Now to find his arrival.
Cando
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Sorry about the location - when I searched for Sydenham, Gloucestershire came up! Thank you Cando for your response.
My great grandfather (William Francis Pearce) married Sylvia Annie Smith in 1910 in Australia. I met Sylvia as a small child when she was in her late 80s/90s.
I have all of the details as listed here in Australia (marriage, death, SMH notice and have even visited his grave in Rookwood Cemetary in Sydney).
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Thanks Yonks ago for your question. He married Sylvia Annie Smith in 1910 and they lived in Petersham in New South Wales Australia, before he died in 1923.
They had three children, Edward, Dorothy and Arthur (my grandfather).
I can't find any immigration records from England to Australia which would have been around 1893.
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I can't find any immigration records from England to Australia which would have been around 1893.
Where have you looked?
If you have taken his years in Australia from his death certificate then how do you know the figure is accurate? Info on death certs only as accurate as the knowledge of the informant.
You call his wife Sylvia yet she is known by her second given name, Annie in the death notice.
According to my resource of transcriptions of headstones at Rookwood, he was born c1869.
Interred at Rookwood, Old Church of England, Section 3, Row 27, Grave# 2959, 2960
William Francis PEARCE
Died 11 Jun 1923 54 years
My husband, our father.
His parents were Lucy Sullivan and George Pearce.
Some speculative research!
There is only one marriage I can find between the following
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Marriages Jun 1851
PEARCE George St George Southk 4/529
SULLIVAN Lucy St. George Southk 4/529
1861 Census RG9/385/115/14
Living at 3 Wilton Terrace, Peckham, Camberwell, Surrey
PEARCE George Head Married 32 years Plumber Born Lambeth, Surrey
PEARCE Lucy Wife Married 34 years Born Southwark, Surrey
PEARCE Lucy Dau 7 years Scholar Born Camberwell, Surrey
PEARCE Mary Ann 5 years Born Camberwell, Surrey
PEARCE William 2 years Born Camberwell, Surrey
PEARCE Josephine 1 year Born Camberwell, Surrey
SULLIVAN Ann Wife's mother Unmarried 67 years Born St George Southwark, Middlesex
SULLIVAN Ann Visitor 32 years Unmarried Born Woolwich, Kent
There are further census with George's occupation as plumber.
Deaths Mar 1901
PEARCE Lucy 75 years Camberwell 1d/560
Deaths Dec 1901
PEARCE George 72 years Camberwell 1d/551
And it looks as though their son was Wm Francis.....
Births Dec 1857
PEARCE William Francis Joseph Camberwell 1d/465
You have the details but how many certificates?
What was his father's occupation on the 1910 marriage cert? What was Wm's age, place of birth and occupation?
Is it possible that Wm F wasn't honest about his age :-X
All speculative research but you need to have an open mind if we are to locate his arrival in Australia
Cando
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There is a marriage on Freebmd : Camberwell District (area where his parents were buried) 1884 of William Francis J PEARCE to either Cecila May T GRANNELL or Kate LAMPARD
On the Church of Latter Day Saints
England, London Electoral Register
Register of Electors 1891
Borough of Deptford, London, Division 1 East Ward, Polling District No. 3
PEARCE: William Francis Joseph - 70 Clifton Road (House)
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Neighbours on CLDS 1891 census (can't call up William PEARCE yet...)
Frederick ENTECOTT aged 48 - No. 56 Clifton Road, on the Electoral Roll
George POUPART - who was living at No. 60 - ditto
Henry CASSELL - No. 62 - ditto
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There is a marriage on Freebmd : Camberwell District (area where his parents were buried) 1884 of William Francis J PEARCE to either Cecila May T GRANNELL or Kate LAMPARD
On the Church of Latter Day Saints
England, London Electoral Register
Register of Electors 1891
Borough of Deptford, London, Division 1 East Ward, Polling District No. 3
PEARCE: William Francis Joseph - 70 Clifton Road (House)
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Neighbours on CLDS 1891 census (can't call up William PEARCE yet...)
Frederick ENTECOTT aged 48 - No. 56 Clifton Road, on the Electoral Roll
George POUPART - who was living at No. 60 - ditto
Henry CASSELL - No. 62 - ditto
Thanks for this info, but can't be the same person as my great grandfather was married here in Australia in 1910 to Sylvia Annie Smith.
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I can't find any immigration records from England to Australia which would have been around 1893.
Where have you looked?
If you have taken his years in Australia from his death certificate then how do you know the figure is accurate? Info on death certs only as accurate as the knowledge of the informant.
You call his wife Sylvia yet she is known by her second given name, Annie in the death notice.
According to my resource of transcriptions of headstones at Rookwood, he was born c1869.
Interred at Rookwood, Old Church of England, Section 3, Row 27, Grave# 2959, 2960
William Francis PEARCE
Died 11 Jun 1923 54 years
My husband, our father.
His parents were Lucy Sullivan and George Pearce.
Some speculative research!
There is only one marriage I can find between the following
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Marriages Jun 1851
PEARCE George St George Southk 4/529
SULLIVAN Lucy St. George Southk 4/529
1861 Census RG9/385/115/14
Living at 3 Wilton Terrace, Peckham, Camberwell, Surrey
PEARCE George Head Married 32 years Plumber Born Lambeth, Surrey
PEARCE Lucy Wife Married 34 years Born Southwark, Surrey
PEARCE Lucy Dau 7 years Scholar Born Camberwell, Surrey
PEARCE Mary Ann 5 years Born Camberwell, Surrey
PEARCE William 2 years Born Camberwell, Surrey
PEARCE Josephine 1 year Born Camberwell, Surrey
SULLIVAN Ann Wife's mother Unmarried 67 years Born St George Southwark, Middlesex
SULLIVAN Ann Visitor 32 years Unmarried Born Woolwich, Kent
There are further census with George's occupation as plumber.
Deaths Mar 1901
PEARCE Lucy 75 years Camberwell 1d/560
Deaths Dec 1901
PEARCE George 72 years Camberwell 1d/551
And it looks as though their son was Wm Francis.....
Births Dec 1857
PEARCE William Francis Joseph Camberwell 1d/465
You have the details but how many certificates?
What was his father's occupation on the 1910 marriage cert? What was Wm's age, place of birth and occupation?
Is it possible that Wm F wasn't honest about his age :-X
All speculative research but you need to have an open mind if we are to locate his arrival in Australia
Cando
Thanks Cando. Yes I have visited the grave site and have a photo of it. This is the information that I have so far also, and I noted with this same family that William is at home until the 1881 census and then is no more. The other interesting thing about this 'William' is the census has him listed as a gardener and his wife here in Australia was a florist, they ran a business together in Petersham. Very much looking like this may be him - just need to purchase a birth certificate from the UK to confirm I think :D
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Now to find his arrival.
Cando
Did you find anything - I have had a paid Ancestry account and couldn't find anything there - any other suggested places for me to look would be welcomed :)
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William Francis Pearce is listed as a bachelor on the marriage certificate, 42 years old (1910) - makes him born in 1868 (different again!) Occupation caretaker, both parents deceased - or did he just cut them off when coming to Australia and didn't really know (??) Oh the joys of this research! Father's occupation - builder.
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Hello davheid67,
From all the information I have read I believe that your great grandfather William Joseph Francis Pearce born to George and Lucy is also my husbands great grandfather.
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I believe William Pearce to have been born in 1857/8 in Camberwell London. He is on the birth certificate of my Grandfather Laurence Joseph Pearce b15/2/1899 innMidlands UK as his father. Mother Emily Pearce nee Farnell. However Laurence was immediately passed to Emily’s Younger Sister Winifred Kelly and raised as Laurence Joseph Kelly.
William Pearce was still living with Emily Pearce in London at time of 1901 Census, though she remarried later that year. So he must have emigrated sometime between 1901 and his 1910 Australian Marriage.
I am keen to contact Davheid67 as we may be related
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I am keen to contact Davheid67 as we may be related
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