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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Bedfordshire => Topic started by: TonyR on Saturday 16 January 16 07:29 GMT (UK)
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Hi all, found a note I had made some time ago, relating to a birth / baptism for a Sarah Elizabeth Page, 2nd March 1850, Bedford. My memory (and source keeping) has let me down, but I was sure I found it on a microfiche somewhere, probably an IGI Familysearch centre, many years ago.
Now when trying to verify this record using FreeREG or Familysearch or any other free transcriptions online, I can only find 3 ‘user submitted records’ on Familysearch. These 3 records only have Sarah alone, with no other family members and batch number A00099-7 as source.
So, has anyone access to Bedford baptisms (probably St Pauls) to see if Sarah is included? Oddly hoping that her mother is Ann Page with no father’s details recorded, as this will ‘fit’ later info I have on Sarah.
Hope that all makes sense, all help & advice gratefully received. Regards, TonyR.
Other info I have just for completeness: Sarah can be found in 1851 census, in St Pauls’ district of Bedford aged 1, with what I believe are her aunts Eliza aged 20 & Sarah age 13 and uncle Fredrik age 6. All born Bedford, Bedfordshire, with Surname entered as Boge.
In 1861 Census, in Queen St Court, Preston, Lancashire, Sarah is aged 11 with her single mother Ann 28 and siblings James 7 and Lucy 3. All are ‘lodgers’ in Pedder household.
In 1871 Census, in Cooper St, Preston, Lancashire, Sarah is back living with her aunt Eliza, now a Wilkinson & family. Sarah’s age looks like 12 but must be wrong as she marries 6 days later aged 21. She marries William Freeman, a Spinner & her Father is recorded as the late James Page, Plumber, which I think must be a bit of a fib.
Then there is a Baptism on 20 July 1873, in St John parish, Preston, Lancashire for a Sarah Jane Freeman - [Child] of William Freeman & Annie, Abode: Livesey St, Occupation: Spinner. The recorded mother’s name of Annie might be a pet name for Sarah or either a mistake, as this child Sarah Jane Freeman, later features in my ancestors’ lives. There were 19 baptisms this day & so a mistake in the record would be understandable.
It then looks like Sarah must have died, because by 1881 it appears that William Freeman has married again (and started a new family, still in Preston) while 8 year old Sarah Jane Freeman is living with relatives in Barrow-in-Furness, Lancs. I cannot find a death record for Sarah nor a entry in the 1881 census for her – but these are probs for another day.
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There are pages of Bedford RD baptisms to be found here from 1837 onwards....... however this does not cover Bedford St.Paul's
http://www.stevengibbs.me.uk/BaptismRegistersPage.htm
To look at St.Paul's baptisms for 1850 you'd need to visit Beds Archives where they are on microfiche or you can always purchase the parish register CD available from Bedfordshire Family History Society.
http://www.bfhs.org.uk/parishcd.html
In the Eureka Partnership publication, Bedford Union Workhouse Births & Deaths 1835-1857, there is a illegitimate female child's birth listed on 9 Mar 1850 with mother being Ann Page, but there is no other details. If that child was baptised I'd suggest it was in Bedford St.Peter's.
Cheers John
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Hi
Death registration
Sarah Elizabeth FREEMAN died March Qtr. 1875 aged 24 years
Preston, Lancs.
Vol. 8E Page. 444
claire
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I think the family you found in 1851 are the children of William & Sarah Page, who can be found in Renhold in 1841 (Piece: HO107/1/11 Folio: 6 Page: 7). The older children of the family married from Beauchamp Row, and there are suitable baptisms for the younger children. Ann Bailey Page (born 9th Feb 1833) would seem to be a suitable candidate for Sarah Elizabeth's mother.
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Hi JohnP, that illegitimate female child's birth listed on 9 Mar 1850 that you found with Ann Page as mother is a gem. That child must almost certainly be Sarah Elizabeth, just have to find a baptism if there was one, for confirmation. I had previously looked at Bedford RD baptisms that you link to, but as you say there are no transcripts for St Pauls nor St Peters which you suggest might be more relevant.
Hi Claire, thanks for the death registration you found, it’s all beginning to fit. I looked a long time ago but didn’t find it – I’m just getting back into researching again after a ‘rest’ but hadn’t got around to checking FreeBMD yet, you’ve saved me a job! thanks again.
Hi StevenG, you’re spot on with that family in Renhold being Ann’s family, the parents being William Page & Sarah Bailey, hence Ann Bailey Page’s middle name. She seems to be the only obvious choice as Sarah Elizabeth's mother, the subsequent census info ‘proves it’ for me. Steve, I must ask if it is you who has magically transcribed the Beds PRs for all of us. Congrats on the superb work if it is – what a coincidence if not! plus any idea when St Pauls & St Peters baps might be done? ;D
Thanks again one & all for the interest & help & advice. It’s much appreciated. Regards, TonyR.
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Just to say I couldn't find a birth index in first quarter 1850 in Bedford RD for a Sarah Page....... ?
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Just to say I couldn't find a birth index in first quarter 1850 in Bedford RD for a Sarah Page....... ?
There is one on FreeBMD. Sarah Ellenor Page, Mar qtr 1850 Bedford 6 44.
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Just to say I couldn't find a birth index in first quarter 1850 in Bedford RD for a Sarah Page....... ?
There is one on FreeBMD. Sarah Ellenor Page, Mar qtr 1850 Bedford 6 44.
But she was baptised at Keysoe daughter of Charles & Ann Page....
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Hello Tony
I had a brief look at the Beds Surname Index CD (available from Beds FHS) at Beds Archives yesterday and found something of interest amongst the Pages....
Seems there's a baptism of Sarah Elizabeth Page of Beachamp Row in 1850 at Bedford St.Mary's. I had a glance through the baptism register on microfiche but some pages have not copied nicely and are not readable, I'm assuming that Beds FHS gleaned their info direct from the parish register. Had I more time I would have had a look but it was getting late and a bus to catch. Maybe next time, unless of course you email Beds Archives and ask them to tell you (however they might charge you).
Also listed is baptism for Frederick Page of Beauchamp Row in 1845 at Holy Trinity & a baptism for Sarah Page at St.Pauls in 1837 and a baptism for Eliza Page in 1831 at St.Pauls. This tallys with the names & ages you provided from the 1851 census.
Also there's a marriage of Ann Baily Page, spinster at St.Pauls in 1833
Cheers John
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Hi JohnP, just adding this info to save you wasting any time looking for any records which I already have:
William Page married Sarah Bailey, 11 Sep 1826 Bedford St. Pauls. Looks like Sarah died as Sarah Page Dec quarter 1849 in Bedford, source – FreeBMD. I have couples’ baptisms & marriage images from PRs, which I won’t bother listing here. Their children as I have in my records, mostly from old IGI are:
George Robert b.8 Aug 1827 c.2 Sep 1827 St Pauls Bedford, batch C062061 **
Elizabeth Page b.2 Feb 1829 c.15 Mar 1829 Harpur St-Wesleyan Methodist Bedford, batch C065851
Eliza Page b.26 Dec 1830 c.6 Mar 1831 Harpur St-Wesleyan Methodist Bedford, batch C065851
Ann Bailey Page b.9 Feb 1833 c.24 Mar 1833 Harpur St-Wesleyan Methodist Bedford, batch C065851
Mary Page b.21 Aug 1835 c.22 Nov 1835 Harpur St-Wesleyan Methodist Bedford, batch C065851
Sarah Page born 9 Aug 1837 c.3 Sep 1837 St Pauls Bedford, batch C062061 ** $$
James Henry Page 26 Nov 1843 Holy Trinity Bedford batch C062131
Frederick Page 02 Feb 1845 Holy Trinity Bedford batch C062131
NOTE **Batch numbers C062061 & M062061 aren’t working properly, only get Norton, Suffolk baptisms & marriages, no Bedford ones which used to get! Have Bedford ones been removed for some reason?
NOTE $$ Sarah born 1837 Bedford, is my direct ancestor & I have copy of her baptism from PRs. In 1881 census, the 8 year old Sarah J(ane) Freeman, born Preston is living with my married Sarah (Day) as a ‘visitor’ in Barrow-in-Furness, Lancs. In reality she should be my Sarah’s ‘great-niece’ as her mother Sarah Elizabeth Freeman nee Page is daughter of Ann (Bailey) Page born 1833 Bedford, who is my Sarah’s sister. Hope that’s clearer to follow my drift.
Your quote “Also there's a marriage of Ann Baily Page, spinster at St.Pauls in 1833” has really thrown me. I have looked for this marriage & cannot see it. As 1833 was my Ann Baily Page’s birth year, have you mis-transcribed your findings of a baptism into a marriage – I hope so!
Last thing John, I’m always conscious of wasting people’s time, but if you would like to help, it will be much appreciated. If you could please clear up my confusion over this 1833 Ann Baily Page marriage you found, that would be great. Apart from that there are 3 points I need help with (1) The actual baptism details for Sarah Elizabeth Page around 1850, for which you have already found snippets. (2) Details on her brother James Page born around 1854 Bedford, who I suspect will be another illegitimate birth to Ann Page in workhouse, where you found that reference to Sarah Elizabeth. (3) The burial / death details for Sarah Page nee Bailey who died 1849 Bedford. But please note NONE of these are vitally important, I’m really only tying up some ‘loose ends’ so please do not feel obliged in any way. If you have spare time then great, if not then do not worry about these minor issues – I will survive without them! Regards, TonyR.
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Your quote “Also there's a marriage of Ann Baily Page, spinster at St.Pauls in 1833” has really thrown me. I have looked for this marriage & cannot see it. As 1833 was my Ann Baily Page’s birth year, have you mis-transcribed your findings of a baptism into a marriage – I hope so!
I cannot be sure I read that right, The CD presents the records in first name, then year, order per surname (ie Page) with the type, baptism/marriage/burial to the far right, so I might have got it out of line. I did then look at the St.Pauls marriages on microfiche for 1833 and could not find that marriage; however I saw one on 3 Dec 1832 for Ann Baily to Levi White where one of the witnesses was a William? Page.
As an aside - Beds Archive do have the Bedford Union Workhouse Admissions & Discharges Register, however there are not any for years 1849, 1850 & 1851, very helpful! I was going to check for the coming & going of Ann Page & child.
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Hi JohnP, Ann Baily from that marriage you saw on 3 Dec 1832 in St. Pauls, is sister of my Sarah Bailey who married William Page, as mentioned above. I only have transcript of this marriage with no mention of witnesses, but it could be William Page who married her sister.
Of interest is in 1841 census, the married Levi White & Ann (Baily) are living at Beau Champ Lane Road, Bedford St. Pauls. This address is used by other Page family members, as spotted by StevenG earlier, but I must have transcribed it wrongly as Lane / Road when it should be Row. I blame my glasses! Thanks for your interest John. Regards, TonyR.
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...... If you could please clear up my confusion over this 1833 Ann Baily Page marriage you found, that would be great. Apart from that there are 3 points I need help with (1) The actual baptism details for Sarah Elizabeth Page around 1850, for which you have already found snippets. (2) Details on her brother James Page born around 1854 Bedford, who I suspect will be another illegitimate birth to Ann Page in workhouse, where you found that reference to Sarah Elizabeth. (3) The burial / death details for Sarah Page nee Bailey who died 1849 Bedford.
OK Tony ....
The 1833 Ann Baily Page entry was indeed her baptism on 24 Mar 1833 at St.Pauls, daughter of William & Sarah Page, brickmaker (born 9 Feb 1833) - so not a marriage, sorry for confusion. At the marriage of William Page to Sarah Bailey on 11 Sep 1826, the witnesses were Thomas Gammons & Mary Hulett.
(1) Although the BFHS Surname Index CD tells me there's a baptism for Sarah Elizabeth Page in 1850 at Bedford St.Marys there is no entry for her in the original baptism parish register nor on the BFHS CD for St.Marys. So where's this come from? After I emailed the BFHS researcher I got this information back. Were they non-conformists?
SARAH ELIZABETH DAUGHTER OF RICHARD AND ANN 30th JUNE 1850 PLUMBER GLAZIER [ PRIMITIVE METHODIST] Abode Beauchamp Row, Birth Date 9th March 1850 Notes: Mother Ann Page father Richard Foster
The birth date 9th Mar 1850 matches the entry on the Workhouse Births & Deaths Eureka publication to mother Ann Page. On 1851 census in Greyfriars Walk there is a 20 year old Richard Foster, plumber who is grandson to Charles & Mary Carter. On 1861 & 1871 census in Albert Street there is Richard Foster, plumber born 1832 born Bedford St Pauls with wife Ann same age born St.Neots, Hunts with their children, the eldest born in 1853. But is she the Ann Page? and I cannot find a marriage index for Richard Foster and Ann?.
(2) I could not find a baptism for James Page c.1854 at Bedford St.Pauls or St.Peters. The Surnames Index & the Parish Registers CD all end at 1852. There is a birth index for a James Robert Page in Bedford RD in March 1854 for whom I cannot find a baptism in the Steve Gibbs parish register online database.
(3) Burial of Sarah Page on 24 Oct 1849 at Bedford St.Pauls aged 44
Happy Hunting John
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Hello JohnP, that’s some fascinating info you found on Sarah Elizabeth Page, especially her father! So all this new info on Sarah fits in nicely with the snippets you found on her before – I’m very impressed.
All I can surmise from Sarah being baptised at the Primitive Methodist church is either (a) Ann wasn’t known there & she could therefore escape the wrath of her local vicar or (b) because it was Richard’s church of choice. It’s interesting to note that when Sarah Elizabeth Page married William Freeman her father was recorded as the late James Page, Plumber. I first thought that her father’s details were a complete fib, but at least the Plumber bit fits in nicely with the Richard Foster you found!
The Ann you spotted with Richard Foster in the census records, isn’t Ann Page mother of Sarah Elizabeth because Ann & Sarah are in Preston from 1861 onwards. It’s just a coincidence that both of Richard’s true loves were named Ann & like you I cannot see any marriages for a Richard Foster & Ann.
Also, thanks for the date of Sarah Page’s burial – I think that pretty much answers all my queries on the Bedford Pages, but you never know ???.
Many thanks for your time & effort John, it’s very much appreciated, I’ll leave you in peace now. Regards, TonyR.