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I've been searching for the names of owners, and or occupiers of Meppershall Manor between about 1700 -1740ish. I understand Richard Stringer sold it to Richard Emery c.1651 then he left it to his daughters Sarah and Elizabeth around 1688. It then passed to their aunt Frances Watson about 1697 and there the trail goes cold. I haven't been able to establish the link between Frances Watson and the Emery family but i suppose Frances may have been Richards sister. According to British history online the next known owners are Charlotte and Thomas Fullwood in 1744 and i think Charlotte was related to the Watson family. They came to Meppershall from Bearley Warwickshire where in 1742 they had a son who they named George Watson Fullwood christened in Snitterfield, sadly he died within 2 years.
Can anyone shed any more light on this conundrum please?
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Have you thought of contacting Beds Council.
They have a lot of information about the Manor here and may well have more in their records.
http://www.bedfordshire.gov.uk/CommunityAndLiving/Archive
Steve
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VCH Bedfordshire states that in 1744 the manor was sold to Bartlett Mason by Thomas and Charlotte Fulwood AND Henry and Elizabeth Birrell. It speculates that Elizabeth and Charlotte were daughters of Frances Watson.
BARS holds a will of Frances Watson, widow, of Ampthill ref 1701/47 which if it's the same Frances might shed light on the relationship with Charlotte and Elizabeth.
A Frances Emery, daughter of Richard Emery was baptised at Ampthill on 8 Jan 1668, which might be complete coincidence, but that would make her sister of Sarah and Elizabeth Emery spinster daughters of Richard which isn't possible.
David
It's all coming back to me now! Just found your thread of 5 years ago at http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=518683.0, in which JP and I got heavily involved. I enjoyed that one!
What strikes me as odd is that VCH says Meppershall Manor was sold by the Fulwoods and Birrells in 1744-5 yet the Fulwoods don't appear to have moved from Warwicks to Meppersall until around that time. But VCH is a bit ambiguous about the manor as it also says that in 1805 the Poynter family had owned it for 33 years having purchased it from the Fulwoods. The Fulwoods can't have sold it twice, in 1744 and again in 1772!
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Stevew; thanks for the link, unfortunately i couldn't get it to work. i have searched BLARS with little or no results on this particular topic, i will contact them direct to see what they can suggest, they have helped me in the past.
David, good to make your acquaintance again, as you see i'm still struggling with the Fullwoods.
I found another snippet on http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/beds/vol3/pp268-275#p47
In 1691–2 Elizabeth Emery, in performance of the will of her sister, Sarah Emery, conveyed to trustees a messuage and certain lands in the parish of Wilshamstead, now a farm containing 17 a., let at £28 a year, upon trust to apply one moiety of the income for educational purposes in Ampthill and the other moiety for the like purposes in the parish of Meppershall.
The administration of the charity is regulated by a scheme of the Charity Commissioners, dated 5 July 1901.
In 1740 the Rev. George Wateson by deed gave an annuity of £5, issuing out of land in Foundry Lane, for teaching children to read and instruction in the catechism. The annuity has been redeemed by the transfer to the official trustees of £166 13s. 4d. India 3 per cent. stock, who also hold £28 13s. 2½ per cent. annuities, representing the redemption of a charge of 1s. a year on the glebe land.
By a scheme of the Charity Commissioners, 6 May 1892, the income is applied towards the expenses of the Sunday school and school prizes.
The Feoffee or Charity Estate, comprised in certain ancient deeds, was in 1819 the subject of proceedings in Chancery, and in the result the charity estates were by deed, dated 16 April 1822, conveyed to trustees upon trust for the use and benefit of industrious poor of Ampthill and Maulden, subject to the regulations respecting the application and management settled by the court and annexed by way of schedule to the deed.
The reference to George Wateson (Watson maybe), 1740, is interesting seeing as Thomas & Charlotte Fullwood gave that name to their first son in 1742. I'm wondering if George Wateson is Frances Watsons son but i haven't found anything to back that up.
Also I can't find Charlottes marriage to confirm her maiden name although (unreliable) trees on familysearch say her name was Holden married in Snitterfcield 15th Nov. 1738. That year is missing from parish records as far as i can trace.
This may be coincidence but 3rd April 1673 Rebecca Watson married Edward Houlden in Ampthill, parents named John & Frances Watson, i can't link them yet.
As you say David, Richard Emery christened Frances in 1668 in Ampthill but there are 2 burials for Richards name in Meppershall 28th Jan 1683 and 9th Sept 1686 so is it coincidence or is one of them Frances' dad?
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I found this a couple of days ago when searching BLARS against Emery, Richard (the comma is important). It was hit 44 out of 73.
Reference O/79
Final Concord
Date Free Text Trinity 1648
Scope and Content
William Farrer, gentleman Plaintiff
Thomas Barber, gentleman and wife Elizabeth
Richard Emery, gentleman and wife Elizabeth Demandants
- messuage; garden; orchard; 120 acres arable; 10 acres meadow; 40 acres pasture; 2 acres wood in Meppershall, Polehanger and Campton
I wonder if these Emerys were related to the Potton family, where there were also Richards, with whom I'm connected.
David
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This may be coincidence but 3rd April 1673 Rebecca Watson married Edward Houlden in Ampthill, parents named John & Frances Watson, i can't link them yet.
FreeReg have transcribed his name as MOULDEN. He was rector of Ampthill.
They had children in Ampthill all transcribed as Holdon or variations.
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I think I may have cracked the Emery - Watson conundrum, but a lot more more work needs to be done to prove it. It looks as though Richard Emery married Elizabeth Archer c1647. Elizabeth Archer's sister, Frances Archer, married John Watson c1653. Both families were riddled with clergymen. Elizabeth and Frances were daughters of the Rev Timothy Archer and his wife Rebecca Beedles who married in Cambs in 1621.
So VCH was right when it said Meppershall Manor passed to Frances Watson, aunt of Sarah and Elizabeth Emery in 1698. But the link is via the female sides of the two families, not the Emery name.
I would order Frances' will from BARS to see if Charlotte and Elizabeth are named in it.
David
George Watson was John and Frances' son born 1654 at Ampthill.
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David, your tip about the comma seems to have worked. i just searched Watson, Frances and it turned up something that i haven't yet had time to study.
Reference
AU10/1/6
Title
Correspondence between Andrew Underwood and Elizabeth Milburn on the latter's ancestors including George Wateson, many individuals and discussed, but the principal subjects include:
- Timothy Archer, Rector of Meppershall and his daughter Frances (later married John Watson);
- Frances (d.1701) and John (d.c.1697) Watson and John's father Richard, "a popish recusant" of Little Park, Ampthill (d.c.1643); John left plate in his will to Ampthill church; children of John and Frances were George [1653-1742], Charles [bap.1654], Rebecca [bap.1656], Henry [bap.1660] and Mary [d.1662]
- Edward Holden, Rector of Ampthill 1671-1680, later of Weston on Trent [Derbyshire], husband of Rebecca (daughter of John and Frances Watson);
- Thomas Archer, Rector of Houghton Conquest and author of a "gossipy commonplace book"
Date free text
2002-2003
Production date
From: 1643 To: 2003
Level of description
item
Persons/institution keyword
Underwood, Andrew Grimmer,
Milburn, Elizabeth,
Wateson, George,
Archer, Timothy,
Archer, Frances,
Watson, Frances,
Watson, John,
Watson, Richard,
Watson, Charles,
Watson, Rebecca,
Watson, Henry,
Watson, Mary,
Holden, Edward,
Holden, Rebecca,
Archer, Thomas
Keywords
clergy names index, church plate, Roman Catholic individuals, AMPTHILL, MEPPERSHALL, HOUGHTON CONQUEST, Weston upon Trent, Ampthill Little Park
Hierarchy browser
Andrew Underwood Collection
fonds | AU
Biographical
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Rev.George Wateson (1653-1742)
series | AU10/1
Correspondence between Andrew Underwood and Elizabeth Milburn on the latter's ancestors including Ge...
item | AU10/1/6
2002-2003
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Sorry David we appear to have crossed posting. Looks like you got there before me.
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Okay so George (Wateson) WAS the son of Frances Watson so it's very possible that he inherited The Manor being the eldest son. Yes you're right i need the will of Frances.
I'm now beginning to lean towards Charlotte being Georges daughter. He dies in 1742, Charlotte has her first son in 1742, names him George Watson Fullwood.
Depending on the outcome of Frances Will i think i need to look for Georges as well do you think?
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Hello... I can go to Beds Archives in the week to look up these Watson wills if you want! Just let me know who & when
Cheers John
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Thanks for the offer John. The main one at the moment is Frances Watson, widow, of Ampthill ref 1701/47.
The only other Watson of Ampthill that I can see was in 1605, so a bit before the time period we're looking at.
David
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I'm now beginning to lean towards Charlotte being Georges daughter. He dies in 1742, Charlotte has her first son in 1742, names him George Watson Fullwood.
I don't! I think you may have already provided the clue yourself. The marriage of Charlotte Houlden in Warwicks to Thomas Fulwood (I think this IGI member submission entry may have been sourced from the BT as the PR for a 5 year period seems to be missing).
I reckon that Charlotte could well have been the daughter or, perhaps more likely, the granddaughter of Edward and Rebecca (née Watson, daughter of Frances) Holden, but I can't find a baptism in Ampthill. Edward and Rebecca married in 1673, Charlotte didn't marry until 1738 which is a long time if Charlotte then went on to have 10 children ie she wasn't a tough old bird when she married.
Rebecca Holden, widow, was buried in Ampthill on 4 Jul 1740. She only had one son who survived infancy that I can see, unless there were more children born after her husband moved to Derbyshire. Robert, 1678. Might he have been the father of Charlotte???
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Highlights from Will of Frances Watteson, widow of Ampthill who was buried 13 Apr 1701 (as "Francis Watson, gent widow") most likely wife of John Watson, Esq who was buried 2 Mar 1688-89.
- to John Holden of Weston in Derbyshire & Charles Adderley of Derby in Derbyshire, Gent my manor at Meppershall..etc.. etc...
- to my daughter Holden.... (not named!)
- to my grand-daughter Christian Holden
- to my grand-daughter Frances Holden
- to my grand-daughter Rebecca Holden
- to my grand-son John Holden
- to grand-children George, Diana, Isabella & Elizabeth Holden; sons & daughters of my daughter Holden
- My son George Watson.... who is sole executor
Dated 3 May 1700
If you want it verbatum suggest you contact Beds Archives to do you a transcript
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Highlights from Will of George Watson, clergyman of Amptill who was buried 9 Jun 1742
- ..... divided between two daughters of Rev Mr. Colvive ? minister of Sawley in Derbyshire, which he had by his wife Diana? Holden.
- to my niece Diana Darby, for her & her daughters
- to my niece Rebecca Holden
- to my niece Arabella Holden
- to Rev. Mr John Holden, rector of Weston-upon-Trent, Derbyshire
- to Mrs Frances Colvive, daughter of Richard Colvive, had my niece Mrs Frances Holden
Executor is Rev Mr Francis Colvive, Minister of Sawley in Derbyshie
Dated 16 June 1742
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This may be coincidence but 3rd April 1673 Rebecca Watson married Edward Houlden in Ampthill, parents named John & Frances Watson, i can't link them yet.
From Ampthill PR transcript...
Edward Houlden, Rector of Ampthill was marryed to Mrs Rebecca Watson, daughter of John & Frances Watson of Little Park, near Ampthill, by his tutor Mr Morton, senior fellow at St.Johns College, Cambridge
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Thanks John, that's added a lot.
In Frances' will her daughter Holden was Rebecca (Watson) born 1656 who married Edward Holden . Her granddaughter Christian was born in Ampthill in 1677, the other grandchildren must have been born in Derbyshire. When the Holdens left Ampthill they only had two surviving children, Robert and Christian (3 others had died very young). I'd found a Robert baptising children in Weston upon Trent, and wondered if it was the right family. It looks as though it was!
But who was John Holden who was bequeathed Meppershall manor, and was it as trustee? Neither will casts much light on who Charlotte was though. We're getting closer though. George appears to have died unmarried and childless.
I've found what appears to be the marriage at St Dunstan in the West, City of London, on 21 Aug 1651 "John Wattson gent and Frances Archer were marryed"
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JP. Thanks so much for looking at the will, i seem to be having trouble searching for it even though David provided the reference 1701/47. I just get zero results, not sure what i'm doing wrong. I've only just seen your results, i'll digest them tonight, thanks again.
David, yes Charlotte or Charlotta as i've seen her named elsewhere, had her 10th, and i think final, child Decima in 1768, Meppershall, so was probably born about 1720 give or take a few years. I've been looking for her birth/ bapt since we last spoke 5 years ago with no results but what you've discovered here looks very promising.
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Oh, and not sure how relevant it is but you mentioned that they were "Riddled with Clergymen."
Charlotte's husband, Thomas Fullwood's father Robert, and grandfather Avery were both parish clerks of Snitterfield, Robert taking the job at Easter 1743 after Avery died in Feb 1742. It's on the parish marriage record page for Snitterfield.
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JP. Thanks so much for looking at the will, i seem to be having trouble searching for it even though David provided the reference 1701/47. I just get zero results, not sure what i'm doing wrong. I've only just seen your results, i'll digest them tonight, thanks again.
You won't find it online - the reference is as used by Beds Archives & published in a 2 volume set of Bedfordshire Probate Records 1484-1858 that David & myself have. The actual wills are available to view in Beds Archives searchroom in Bedford.
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Ah, that explains it, thanks John.
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Oh, and not sure how relevant it is but you mentioned that they were "Riddled with Clergymen."
Charlotte's husband, Thomas Fullwood's father Robert, and grandfather Avery were both parish clerks of Snitterfield, Robert taking the job at Easter 1743 after Avery died in Feb 1742. It's on the parish marriage record page for Snitterfield.
The Holdens all seem to have been clergymen!
If Charlotte really was a Holden, which seems likely if you follow the property, they look to be an interesting family to research.
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I've found what appears to be the marriage at St Dunstan in the West, City of London, on 21 Aug 1651 "John Wattson gent and Frances Archer were marryed"
Found this via Google... you may already know.... but ..
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/BEDFORD/2002-09/1033239810
...and...
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/ARCHER-UK/2006-08/1155860210
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Thanks John, no, I hadn't seen those. The poster seems to be the same lady referred to in post #8 below.
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OK... now I've set my sort order to show latest first I can find reply #8 below !
AU = Andrew Underwood was in the Ampthill local history society & died within the past few years, & left his collection to Beds Archives.... If you search using AU as reference & Watson as name, you'll find other entries, one being a rough family tree of George Watson, going back four generations to John Watson of Carlisle
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In my info on the will of George Watson I mention the minister of Sawley, a Mr Colvive??
Further sleuthing has determined this name is COLIERE or COLEIRE
FreeReg marriage in Weston on Trent, Derbys - 25 Oct 1702
Richard Coliere, fellow of All Saints College, Oxford to Frances Holden, widow
He is listed in Oxford University Alumni as per Ancestry
He is son of Walter, gent of London
FreeReg marriage in Sawley, Derbys - 2 Sept 1742
Charles Armstrong, bachelor of Ampthill, Beds, gent to Elizabeth Coleire, spinster, father Francis Coleire, curate of Sawley
Philamores marriages in Wanlip, Leics - 31 May 1708
Francis Coleire, clerk of Sawley to Christian Holden of Weston, Derbys
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Hi I am interested in this thread as my ancestors were Frances Watson nee Archer and so was Rebecca and Edward Holden.Elizabeth Emery nee Archer was Frances' sister who married Richard Emery.I have Frances's will,I do not know about Charlotte though.
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Hello Liz & welcome to RootsChat...
You say you have Frances Watson's will - did you get it fully transcribed by Beds Archives or perhaps you visited them to get the detail. Either way - are there any other names on it that I did not glean, as it is a long document and I only glanced over it for a short while.
Also re. Elizabeth Emery, nee Archer, was she wife of Richard Emery; both were of Maulden as per the Meppershall burial register, Elizabeth buried 6/11/1686 while there are 2 Richard Emerys buried, both of Maulden, one in 1683 & one in 1686. Beds Archives have the will of Elizabeth Emery, widow of Maulden ref ABP/W 1686/60. Do you have detail of this?
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Hi Liz, and welcome.
You may find we're reinventing the wheel as I'm sure you've covered all of what we've unearthed so far. But coming at it from a different direction we've had to do it the hard way, and it was only on Monday evening that we discovered the Archer name that tied it all together.
What we still don't know is who Charlotte was. I assume Holden, but as we don't have her marriage, other than an unreliable IGI member submission for a 1738 marriage in Warwicks to Thomas Fulwood, we have a bit of a blockage. Can't find a baptism of a Charlotte Holden either, which isn't much help in determining who her father was. Working on it.
I have a couple of other niggles, the main one being the gap between the alleged 1738 marriage and the birth of the first child George Watson Fulwood in 1742. They named their tenth child Decima, and as we've identified the nine previous children I don't think we've missed anyone.
Terry, I think we established in your 2011 thread that Charlotte wasn't your direct line, as their son Thomas wasn't the Thomas who lived in Pirton. Doubtless a relation though.
David
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I obtained a copy of Frances Archer's will from Bedfords Archives years ago and I transcribed it.I am away on holiday until the week end and until then only have access to my family trees that are on Ancestry.com
Frances left the house in Ampthill to her eldest son George WATESON, her manor at Meppershall is mentioned,I think the will instructed her executors to sell it to pay out the bequests as it was no longer in the family after her death.. She left £100 to daughter HOLDEN(Rebecca) £150 to grand daughter Christian Holden, £150 to grand daughter Frances Holden, £20 grand daughter Deborra Holden, £30 to grand son John Holden, £150 split between grandchildren George, Diana,Isabella and Elizabeth Holden when they reach 19 years & £250 each to Frances &Christian on the death of their mother.
I have not got access to my information on Elizabeth Emery nee Archer and don't think she left a will .As it has been mentioned George Wateson(he preferred this spelling which was passed down for a couple of generations as a middle name) did not marry,and I don't recall there being a Charlotte Holden in Edward Holden's close family.
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Hello Liz, thank you for adding to this thread, and JP, David please excuse my sparse input but work keeps getting in the way. I've hardly had time to assimilate what you've all discovered but i'm getting there.
David, no Charlotte and Thomas were not my direct line and i still can't prove they were related.
That's is why i'm going down this line to try to find ANY possible link. My Thomas Fullwood born c. 1740 seems to have had an immaculate conception! Apart from his marriage in 1763 there is no record in Warwickshire, that i have found, that matches him. The fact that both Thomas Fullwoods turn up in A) Southill and B) Meppershall from Warwick is the straw that i'm still clutching to. Other coincidences at the end of 1700's/beginning 1800's are also bugging me. My Thomas's daughters are living in Southwark at that time as are several of Thomas & Charlotte's children & grandchildren.
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I agree Terry, that it's too much of a coincidence that two Thomas Fullwoods from Warwicks should pitch up in Meppershall and Southill without there being some sort of a connection. But what was it!
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We have established from Beds Archives Indems for Thomas Fullwood, cordwainer & wife Sarah & daughters Charlotte & Elizabeth from Warwick to Southill in 1767 & prior to that Thomas Fullwood from where? to Shillington in 1757. Is this the same Thomas?
Another gleaning from BARS ref X150/1 dated 21 Mar 1752 relates to a mortgage in 1749....
Parties: (i) Henry Bissell of Birmingham [Warwickshire], timber merchant; Thomas Fullwood of Bearly [Warwickshire], timber merchant; (ii) Catherine Mason, spinster, daughter of Bartholomew Mason of Old Stratford [Buckinghamshire] Operative Part: - (i) lent a further advance [amount blank] to (ii) secured on (a) Reciting: - mortgage between (i) and (ii) for £1,300 of 24-25 Mar 1749 Property: (a) the Manor of Meppershall with appurtenances in Meppershall, Shillington, Campton and Stondon
So a Thomas Fullwood was in the area before the Indemnities... but he's a timber merchant not a cordwainer as was the one who came to Southill in 1767
Also does the Henry Bissell mentioned above relate to the Henry Birrell & Elizabeth who sold the manor in 1744/5 as per VCH
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Useful find John. Bartholomew Mason is presumably Bartlett Mason referred to in VCH as being the purchaser of Meppershall Manor in 1744/5 from the Birrells and the Fulwoods. And like you I reckon Birrell and Bissell are one and the same.
The Thomas Fulwood, husband of Sarah, the subject of the 1767 Settlement Certificate, is not the same Thomas Fulwood as the one in the 1749 mortgage you found, husband of Charlotte the elusive lady. But I think they must be connected, although we showed 5 years ago that they weren't father and son.
Thinking, whilst preparing lunch!
David
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This 1757 document is, unfortunately, only partial. I recieved it like this from Beds Archives. When i queried it they didn't reply leaving me to assume that was all they had. If it's either of these two men then it should be Thomas, the cordwainer because, i think, Thomas the Timber Merchant/Husbandman would not have needed a settlement certificate due to his wealth.
Terry
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Parties: (i) Henry Bissell of Birmingham [Warwickshire], timber merchant; Thomas Fullwood of Bearly [Warwickshire], timber merchant; (ii) Catherine Mason, spinster, daughter of Bartholomew Mason of Old Stratford [Buckinghamshire] Operative Part: - (i) lent a further advance [amount blank] to (ii) secured on (a) Reciting: - mortgage between (i) and (ii) for £1,300 of 24-25 Mar 1749 Property: (a) the Manor of Meppershall with appurtenances in Meppershall, Shillington, Campton and Stondon
So a Thomas Fullwood was in the area before the Indemnities... but he's a timber merchant not a cordwainer as was the one who came to Southill in 1767
Interesting that in the 1749 mortgage Thomas Fullwood was still "of Bearly". He presumably moved to Meppershall not long after this as he baptised six children there between 1750 and 1763
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Isn't the handwritten bit at the top the indemnity, from the parish of Higham Gobian?
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As far as i can make out that's a separate document underneath when mine was copied at Beds Archive??
Terry
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I think you're right!
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Another gleaning from BARS ref X150/1 dated 21 Mar 1752 relates to a mortgage in 1749....
Parties: (i) Henry Bissell of Birmingham [Warwickshire], timber merchant; Thomas Fullwood of Bearly [Warwickshire], timber merchant; (ii) Catherine Mason, spinster, daughter of Bartholomew Mason of Old Stratford [Buckinghamshire] Operative Part:
BARS appears to have added Buckinghamshire in square brackets to Old Stratford, the residence of Bartholomew. I've found other references to Bartholomew Mason of Old Stratford Warwickshire ie Stratford on Avon. I think BARS may have made a wrong assumption.
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Did you notice that there are two witness names on that Shillington Indem... Thomas Fullwood & Joseph Groves; is this TF the same man as the TF who has the Indem Cert?
Next churchwarden T. Bristow at top of cert ? is this where Fullwood is coming from? Could he be Timothy Bristow, gent of Pullanger, Meppershall who was buried 26 Mar 1764. He is mentioned in a Beds Archives ref RO18/22-23 dated Apr 1783 i) Timothy Bristow of Hitchin, Hertfordshire, draper and eldest son and heir of Timothy Bristow late of Pullanger, Meppershall, gentleman deceased.
Which leads me to a Hertfordshire Archives online name database poor law entry for Settlement of Thomas Fullwood dated 15 Jun 1770 from Warwick St.Marys to Hitchin
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The TNA catalogue at http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C10422197 shows the following
Reference: C 11/164/33
Description:
Short title: Darby v Holden.
Document type: Bill and answer.
Plaintiffs: Diana Darby, widow and Arabella Holden, spinster both of St Margaret Westminster, Middlesex.
Defendants: Henry Bissell and Elizabeth Bissell his wife, Thomas Fulwood and Charlotte Fulwood his wife, John Holden, clerk, Francis Colleire and Christian Colleire his wife, Robert Clarke and Frances Clarke his wife, Willaim Stevens and Elizabeth Stevens his wife and Rebecca Holden.
Date of bill (or first document): 1745.
JFP
Date: 1745
Reference: C 11/327/16
Description:
Short title: Darby v Coliere.
Document type: Three answers.
Plaintiffs: Diana Darby, widow and Isabella Holden, spinster.
Defendants: Francis Coleire, clerk and Christian Coleire his wife, William Stevens and Elizabeth Stevens his wife, Rebecca Holden spinster, Robert Clarke, clerk and Frances Clarke his wife, Henry Bissell and Elizabeth Bissell his wife and Thomas Fullwood and Charlotte Fullwood his wife.
Date of bill (or first document): 1745.
JFP
Date: 1745
Surely the defendants are from different generations. This lot are bugging me! Can't even find an Arabella Holden. (Found her! Dau of Edward and Rebecca bap 24 Aug 1689 at Weston upon Trent. There was also Diana dau of Edward baptised in the same place on 23 Sep 1686. But at least one of the defendants, Christian Colleire, was a sister of the two plaintiffs, whereas Charlotte Fulwood, having children 1742-68 must have been of a later generation).
Need a copy of the action (not available online) to find out what it was all about, which with a bit of luck will explain the background, and the relationships.
Sorry John. Finished amending and adding now!
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The Thomas Fulwood, husband of Sarah, the subject of the 1767 Settlement Certificate, is not the same Thomas Fulwood as the one in the 1749 mortgage you found, husband of Charlotte the elusive lady. But I think they must be connected, although we showed 5 years ago that they weren't father and son.
I need to review this.... After Thomas & Charlotte Fullwood finished baptising children at Meppershall 1750-1768 they seem to have moved to Luton as there are marriage records for some of their children there 1777-1787, and then burials of Mr Thomas Fullwood of Biscot in 1791 & then Mrs Charlotte Fullwood age 85 of fever in 1808 (makes her born 1723). There is a long detailed Prerogative Court of Canterbury Will for Thomas Fullwood of Biscot, Luton dated 20 Dec 1790 proved 1792 available on Ancestry.... where son Robert is sole executor and mentions my dear wife Charlotte; Elizabeth Parker daughter of sister Mary Parker (nb. John Parker married Mary Fullwood at Meppershall 25 Nov 1756); my late son Thomas Fullwood; my son John; my daughters Elizabeth White, Mary Gregory, Decima Jackson & Charlotte Surrey. You can read it all yourselves.
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Surely the defendants are from different generations. This lot are bugging me! Can't even find an Arabella Holden. (Found her! Dau of Edward and Rebecca bap 24 Aug 1689 at Weston upon Trent)
Will of George Watson 1742 mentions my niece Arabella Holden & also my niece Diana Darby..
Will of Frances Watson 1701 mentions grand-child Isabella Holden (could be Arabella?) daughter of Rebecca Holden & also grand-child Diana (similarly daughter of Rebecca)
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Found from the London Gazette of Tues Jan 30 1838 (page 219)
A plea for info regarding Charles Fullwood late of Luton, gentleman deceased, (relates to his Will that is also on Ancestry) looking for nephews & nieces, children of his brothers & sisters namely....
Elizabeth White late of Southgate
Thomas Fullwood late of Pirton, Herts
Charlotte Surrey late of Codicote
John Fullwood late of Kent Road, Surrey
Mary Gregory late of Hornsey, Middx
Decima Jackson now in Kent Road
Charles Fullwood buried Luton age 68 on 22 Feb 1832 (=born 1764)
He's the son of Thomas & Charlotte Fullwood baptised Meppershall 5 Jun 1763
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J.P. David You've done so much graft today, please my PM to you.
Terry.