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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Fife => Topic started by: wolfequebec on Saturday 30 January 16 18:43 GMT (UK)
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Hi there.
In the oxford dictionary of national biography it states that "Primrose, James (d. 1640), government official, was the second son of Archibald Primrose, of Culross, Perthshire, a law agent, and Margaret Bleau/Blaw, of Castlehill". It is stated elsewhere that Archibald Primrose (who was a tax collector for King James VI) was their first son.
Can anyone provide a source for the marriage of Primrose and Blaw?
Thanks
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What an interesting family :)
A lot of these sources would come from the family themselves , either through a Family Bible or personal genealogy to inherit lands or titles.
It seems this family may source a lot of information through Family Titles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laird_of_Burnbrae
My only concern with this link and your post is that it states the Title is Hereditary yet it went to an uncle and not Archibald and Margarets son - either James if he was 1st or his brother
There is a book Culross and Tulliallin which you can find on Archive.org that has a history of Culross
Off to search more :)
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A lot of sources would have come from previous books on the families in Fife. Mostly commissioned by the families themselves or as a matter of historical significance.
The above book Culross and Tulliallan is in 2 volumes and the 2nd Volume is where most of todays sources would come from
http://www.electricscotland.com/history/culross/chapter20.htm
This page here gives an account of the books entries.
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could it be that the first and second son died early and so it reverted back up to the uncle retaining its hereditary nature? their death dates would be needed to determine it.
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the link staes -Archibald married Margaret Blaw about 1564 in Culross. that would make james (born shortly after) then (d.1640) about 75 at death so..yeeeah ,not sure why he wouldn't have gotten the title before an uncle
I can only imagine that older brother archie died and the younger brother james may have been preoccupied elsewhere so didn't put forth a claim
not that this answers the question of source-
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The second son,
ARCHIBALD PRIMROSE, was employed by the abbott of Culross in settling the rate of the feu-duty to be paid by the vassals of that abbey, and in managing the revenues thereof.
He married Margaret, daughter of Bleu, of Castlehill, and had two sons, the younger of whom ....
http://lordbelmontinnorthernireland.blogspot.co.nz/2013_12_01_archive.html
I think that more than one title was involve in this puzzle and a couple or wars
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Some of the sources which might provide evidence are:
- the online catalogue of the National Records of Scotland
- the Register of Deeds
- the Register of Sasines, which gives relationships of people involved in the transfer of land
- the Register of the Privy Seal
- the Register of the Great Seal
- the Records of the Privy Council
- the Treasurer's Accounts
- the Acts of the Lords of Council
- testaments and inventories
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so so far we have archie (one),
is a second son of duncan (from various second-hand sources)-the new title holder who gained it from the blaw's through marriage,
then he has two sons -archie (two) is a first son then james is his second
(according to the oxford dictionary source)...
and upon his death,
the title of burnbrae reverts back up somehow to an uncle's line.
-is that correct so far?
you must follow the chain of title in order to
(pick out cadet lines that got passed over for various reasons)
if you want to get to the bottom of this
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if that's correct then it looks like james has a son also named Archibald after the uncle and grandpa ,where the separate carrington title gets into play then that archie has a son archie who attains the earl of roseberry title. so quite a few archies to separate out
why the separate burnbrae title goes to pete isn't clear to me. that's all I can cipher out at moment. lol
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Thanks for all your replies, which contain some interesting info.
However I suspect that I may have to approach the present Earl of Rosebery to see if he can give me a proper source for the Primrose Blaw marriage mentioned in my original post.
Thanks again.
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How interesting,
I found some of my Mums hard work and it seems
Archibald Primrose is her 11 x great grandfather..
I have it noted as Margaret Bleau
Son David Primrose. not much more info on dates..
Duncan Primrose Father and Janet Main mother.