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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Galway => Topic started by: ruthi on Thursday 11 February 16 00:26 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
I am trying to find a source for information on births in Culfin, Galway around 1850. We believe, from information on the birth certificate of one of his children, that Patt Malley was born in Culfin around 1850. He lived in Mullaghglass in 1901 and 1911 with his family.
I believe Culfin is rather small, seems to be a fishing village around the Culfin River. I wonder if records would actually say Culfin or give the name of a larger town closeby. Does anyone know of a historian in that area, or which historical society is closest that may be of help?
Thanks for any help. Ruthi
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http://www.townlands.ie/galway/ballynahinch/ballynakill/rinvyle/culfin/#records
Have you searched this database?
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Are these the census returns for Patrick and his family? 1901 census (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Galway/Rinvyle/Mullaghglass/1371220/) and 1911 census (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Galway/Rinvyle/Mullaghglass/452244/)
If so, it looks as if he married twice as his wife states they are married 15 years
There is a marriage of a Patrick O'MALLEY of Mullaghglass to Bridget KAIN
on Feb 26 1887 in Ballinakill Parish, Co. Galway
The witnesses are Martin KAIN and Mary KAIN
Unfortunately the registers for that area only go up to 1886 www.nli.ie
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Two Baptisms
Andrew Malley Date of Birth:
Date of Baptism: 10-Mar-1889
Address: M. Gloss Parish/District: BALLYNAKILL
Gender: Male County Co. Galway
Denomination: Roman Catholic
Father: Patrick Malley Mother: Bridget Kain
Occupation:
Sponsor 1 /Andrew Malley Sponsor 2 /Julia Malley
Notes:
MARRIED IN U.S.A.
John Malley Date of Birth:
Date of Baptism: 15-May-1898
Address: Mullaghgloss Parish/District: BALLYNAKILL
Gender: Male County Co. Galway
Denomination: Roman Catholic
Father: Patrick Malley Mother: Bridget Kain
Sponsor 1 /Michael Malley Sponsor 2 / Mary Malley
annclare
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Andrew O'Malley ?
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01h2c/
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Hi,
Thank you all who replied.
Schoch, I have checked that site but it was a good reminder to check again, as we all know how we can miss things at first glance. Culfin just does not appear on either Griffiths or the 1901 or 1911 census. I'm wondering if it's just one of those small areas referred to by locals but goes by another name for legal purposes. Mullaghglass, Glassilaun or one of the Lettergeshes would be my guess if that were the case.
Annclare, myluck and dathai, all found the correct family. The Andrew and John stated were my grandmother's 1/2 brothers. My grandmother Honor was the daughter of Pat malley's first wife, they were sons of the second. My problem lies with tracing Patrick, the father, back a generation. My grandmother's civil birth record says her father was born in Glassilaun, her brother Thomas' certificate says it was Culfin which is why I am trying to circle in on this place name. Patrick Malley would have been born abt. 1850 if the census records are close to correct. Records become rather scarce at this time.
According to Griffiths, one possibility for Patt's parents would be Bridget and Andrew Mealy, from Mullaghglass but that is a wild guess I am trying to prove with few resources.
Thanks so much for replying. Ruthi
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Hi,
it would appear I need to get my eyes checked! Just figured out that Culfin is listed under Cushkillary, not Ballinakill. Will be following up on Cushkillary folk.
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ruthi
do you have either of his marriage certificates? this should show his father's name
There is a church marriage of a Patrick MALLEY to Bridget KAIN Feb 26 1887 in Ballynakill but the parents are not shown however I don't see a civil reference for them
You didn't say who his first wife was but again if you check their marriage you should find the father's name matches and perhaps a home address that would pinpoint his origins. MALLEY is a very common name in that area
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Thank you Myluck. That marriage on Feb 26, 1887 between Patt Malley and Bridget Kain is indeed my greatgrand father and his second wife. It helps to have the witnesses names on the church record but as you stated there is no mention of parents. Patt does also appear with his first wife Honor Coyne, my greatgrandmother, on the Sept. 12, 1875 church record. Again we get witness names but no parents.
I have not yet found a civil record. On the irishgenealogy.ie site I have tried searching for an index but am stumped when they ask for the civil registration district. Trying the most obvious to me, being Clifden, does not bring up a plausible marriage. I don't know where else to look for a civil document for both 1875 and 1887 for a marriage between people in Mullaghglass with the catholic register from Letterfrack parish, diocese of Tuam, Clifden. Do you have a guess where I might try for a civil record? Thanks for any help. Ruth
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Yes Clifden looks most likely.
http://www.logainm.ie/en/18145?s=Culfin
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/01h2q/ gets you all Marriage results for Patrick OMalley
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01h2r/ gets you all Marriage results for Patrick Malley
on irishgenealogy sorted by Year!
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ruthi
Patt MALEY m Honor COYNE Sep 12 1875 in Ballinakill LINK to Church record (http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632000#page/54/mode/1up)
Second last from the bottom on the left hand page
There does not seem to be a civil record to match
If you apply to the GRO for the marriage certificates stating both parties names and the dates and locations they may be able to locate the original civil records but it seems strange that both are missing
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Had a look for other marriages from that page and 1876 those that i could make out proper spelling on by crosschecking with the births and baptisms and i cant find any of the marriages registered maybe someone else will but i cant.
Dathai
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Eventually found one 16 Nov Clifden 1876 Martin Thornton to Honor Conroy
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FY38-BT5
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FY3Q-1M2
so who's responsibility was it to register the couple themselves or priest ?
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In those days dathai it was the parish priest who acted as registrar
I have come across some other records that are with the GRO but for some reason missed being transcribed as well
It is strange that there are so many missing for this parish
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EARLY ORGANISATION OF THE REGISTRATION SERVICE
In the early days, the organisation of the service was based on the "unions" of parishes set up under the Poor Law (Ireland) Act 1838. Initially, these unions formed the registrars' districts (for Protestant and civil marriages) and later the superintendent registrars' districts (for births, deaths and Roman Catholic marriages). The Clerk of the Union was usually the superintendent registrar and also often registrar of Protestant and civil marriages. The medical officer of the dispensary district was usually also the registrar of births, deaths and Roman Catholic marriages.
https://www.welfare.ie/en/downloads/GRO-History.pdf has a great map of the registration districts!!
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I posted them all, for all areas of Ireland, sorted by year..... they don't seem to be there but it is POSSIBLE they used Gaelic as they were in Gaeltacht area!
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gaeltachtai_le_hainmneacha2.svg shows the area...
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Thank you for that information hallmark
I was not aware of the role of the " medical officer of the dispensary district" perhaps they had a vacancy for a while!
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Thank you for that information hallmark
I was not aware of the role of the " medical officer of the dispensary district" perhaps they had a vacancy for a while!
No problem... BUT in that area he/she would possibly be/need to be an Irish speaker??
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I would say so for the Irish
Up to the 1980s there were still some people in Connemara with little or no English
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I would say so for the Irish
Up to the 1980s there were still some people in Connemara with little or no English
.. and records could be in Irish
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I am looking for the wedding certificate of John Thomas O'Malley and Margaret Mary Coyne. They both lived in Culfin, were Roman Catholic and were married in either 1904-1905. John's parents were Patrick O'Malley and Mary nee Kane. Mary's parents were Patrick McDonnell and Margaret Mary nee Coyne. The wedding was not registered in the General Register Office. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thank you for your help.
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Where are they in 1901 census please?
Did they have children?
Would you just clarify Margaret Mary’s details please?
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Sure! I am looking for the marriage certificate for my great grandparents John Thomas O'Malley(15/7/1881-12/5/1962) and Mary McDonnell(McDonald) (11/6/1877-5/12/1918). I am not positive about Mary's birthday. She may have been born a few years later.
In 1901 Mary lived in Culfin with her parents and is listed on the 1901 Census. Mary's parents were Patrick McDonnell and Margaret Mary nee Coyne.
John's parents were Patrick O'Malley and Mary nee Kane. John listed Culfin as his last known address on his US Immigration paperwork in 1916 but I do not see him listed on the 1901 Census.
John and Mary O'Malley immigrated from Liverpool and arrived in Quebec Canada in October 1905. They were married at that point.
Margaret Mary 'Peggy' Coyne was Mary McDonnell's mother. She was born about 1853 in County Galway Ireland and died March 11, 1935
Here is a link to my family's tree on Ancestry. Thanks for any information you might be able to provide.
https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/23206800/person/422261128652/facts
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Thanks. It was just confusing with the names. You seem to have mixed up mother and daughter but I see now.
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Possible birth for Mary - mother recorded as ‘Kyne’
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/03005/2101493.pdf
I can’t see a marriage for them, but I can’t see a marriage for Mary’s parents either.
I had a quick search in English records too.
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So sorry about that. Thank you so much! Do you have any idea where I could look for their wedding certificate?
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You could try the church to see if they married there. Occasionally, they will check records. https://ballinakillparish.com/
Have you checked Canada?
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Thank you! I have contacted them. You are a wealth of information.
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Good luck.
I have relatives who married two years after their arrival in England as a couple.