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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: PaulJC on Saturday 27 February 16 10:38 GMT (UK)
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Hi All,
I have a large number of relatives who were buried at Philips Park Cemetery in Manchester. I would like to take some photos of their headstones but had heard that many individual stones had been removed and the areas grassed over. Before I embark on a very long trip, could you please advise if this is correct?
Regards,
Paul
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You can see the aerial view of the cemetery at https://goo.gl/maps/p4CZemv9kQv
Stan
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Paul
List the area's I will tell you what to expect.
BF
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Thanks,
I have:
Section F RC 230
F 534
F 484
D RC 549
M 1270 and 1573
B 997
C 281
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Thanks,
I have:
Section F RC 230
F 534
F 484
D RC 549
M 1270 and 1573
B 997
C 281
Hi Paul
Sorry for the delay not been online for a few days.
I cannot vouch for individual graves.
PP has 4 burial sections RC/NC/CofE/Jewish, you have only listed RC I can guess one other
F - RC very few graves remain in this area (can I assume 230/534/484) are all RC?
D - RC Again only a few headstones remain.
Only one area has an M Section and that is CofE but again not many headstones.
B & C in all sections have plenty of headstones to walk around.
If this is all you are travelling to Manchester for, you maybe very disappointed. But if you do decide to go I will let you have copies of the plot plans, they make it 100% easier to find a location as not all graves run in number order.
But if you want I will go and get what photos I can but will need the the full grave info etc M-CofE-1270
Regards
BF
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Hi BF
Many thanks for your detailed answer.
It would seem that the best chance lies with sections B and C so here are the details:
B Consecrated 997 John Edward Core
C Roman Catholic 281 John Mullin
Thanks for all your help.
Paul
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Hi BF
Many thanks for your detailed answer.
It would seem that the best chance lies with sections B and C so here are the details:
B Consecrated 997 John Edward Core
C Roman Catholic 281 John Mullin
Thanks for all your help.
Paul
Hi Paul
We are due some bad weather the next few days and PP is not the best place to go when it is soaking wet grave hunting. I will not forget.
In the mean time it would be a great help, if you named and dated the others you are after. I will see what my contact can come up with also but she needs names and dates.
Regards
BF
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Many thanks and it can certainly wait until better weather.
I will look for the names and dates for the others in PP.
Regards,
Paul
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Went to PP today - sadly no stones to photograph
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Very hard to pinpoint two of these graves
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M is virtually clear of stones, I though B would be my best chance, but it was not to be
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Many thanks BF.
I half expected that would be the situation but you have saved me a very long wasted journey.
Paul
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Hi
I have a family member buried here apparently and I would love to know if the headstone is still here I have the following information
Section h consecrated grave 948 position 5
Is this a plot with several people inside ? Was it a section for the very poor ? I’m really new to researching so any help would be much appreciated
Thanks in advance
Laura
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Welcome to Rootschat, Laura. It might help if you could give us the name of your family member, and possibly a date as well.
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Hi Laura
I will be going passed PP tomorrow and I know the location of H/CofE but as BumbleB said a name and date make thinks a lot easier in hunting down a grave. Looking for a number on the graves is usually impossible.
Regards
Ken
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Yes sorry his name was harry ramsbottom he died in 1939 aged approx 23yrs thank you for your replies
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To help Ken:
Henry Carter - 1913
Sarah A Carter - 1915
Arnold J Ramsbottom - 1923
James Carter - 1929
Harry Ramsbottom - 1939
Rita Wild - 1945
Looks like a family grave to me, rather than a pauper grave. :-\
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That turned into a bit of a do ;D
I had a very good idea of the location as the wifes gt grandparents are only a few stones away.
Found stone which was partly buried but had nothing to clear it with, so took a couple on my camera with the intention of going back within the hour. Took the memory card out of my camera to check what I had took. Picked up a trowel, brush, bottle of water and camera.
Cleared, cleaned stone, picked up camera only to find I had forgot to put the memory card back in it ;D ;D ;D ;D
Thank god for smart phones :) but not the greatest of photos
Laura. Harry's name is not on the stone the water line in the photos is the actual end of the stone, I cannot add a sample to this posting as it has exceeded the number of photos permitted.
I have zipped up some photos and put them into my dropbox account (just click and download) https://www.dropbox.com/s/wvhbdnqusmzvquu/Carter.zip?dl=0
Thanks BumbleB for the info
Regards
Ken
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ken , thank you so much for going to the trouble of doing that for me i really am very grateful , I'm sad to think his name isn't on the stone I feel very upset to think there is no mark on there do you know why that would be ? are the people on the stone people in a family or was it just a cheaper way of being buried ? sorry for all the questions but i really don't know a lot about it at all
massive thank you to ken have a lovely weekend
laura
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and thanks bumbleb for the extra info / names on the stone
laura
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Hi Laura
This section of the cemetery is for private burials and not paupers graves, most of the time it will be family members buried in these type of graves but I have one myself when a family friend was put in it.
It seems over the years of doing grave hunts and finding most stones have names missing the main reason seems cost.
You need to follow up the names that BumbleB got for you to find the family connections, if you need any help on Rootschat I would suggest you create a new thread, that way a lot of people will pick up your request and look at census reports for you.
Regards
Ken
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Arnold J Ramsbottom - buried 19 April 1923 was aged 1. Looking for a birth registration, I found Arnold J Ramsbottom in Prestwich Registration District - September quarter 1921 - mmn Carter.
Harry Ramsbottom - birth registered September quarter 1915 - Prestwich - mmn Carter.
2 marriage possibilities:
December quarter 1901 - Prestwich - William Ramsbottom and Ada Carter appear on the same page William married Elizabeth Hole (LancashireBMD)
December quarter 1902 - Prestwich - George Henry Ramsbottom and Elizabeth Alice Carter on the same page.
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1901 Census - RG13/3760 folio 63 page 12 56 Varley
Road Street, Miles Platting ???? possibly
James Carter - 47 - Tanner's Labourer - ? buried 31 December 1929 aged 75 ?
Sarah A - 47 - ? buried 16 October 1915 aged 61 ?
Elizabeth A - 19 ? married George Henry Ramsbottom ?
Henry - 17
Charles W - 15
Sarah A - 12
Robert - 10
Bertha - 6
Walter - 4
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Many thanks BumbleB I will start looking at those names , his father was definatley George henry ramsbottom as I have my nans marriage certificate his occupation is listed a railway labourer , Laura
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1901 Census - RG13/3760 folio 63 page 12 56 Varley Road, Miles Platting ???? possibly
James Carter - 47 - Tanner's Labourer - ? buried 31 December 1929 aged 75 ?
Sarah A - 47 - ? buried 16 October 1915 aged 61 ?
Elizabeth A - 19 ? married George Henry Ramsbottom ?
Henry - 17
Charles W - 15
Sarah A - 12
Robert - 10
Bertha - 6
Walter - 4
1901 Census - RG13/3760 folio 63 page 12 56 Varley Road, Miles Platting ???? possibly
James Carter - 47 - Tanner's Labourer - ? buried 31 December 1929 aged 75 ?
Sarah A - 47 - ? buried 16 October 1915 aged 61 ?
Elizabeth A - 19 ? married George Henry Ramsbottom ?
Henry - 17
Charles W - 15
Sarah A - 12
Robert - 10
Bertha - 6
Walter - 4
BumbleB,I know of Varley STREET in Miles Platting but not Varley Road.
The nearest roads are Bradford Rd and Oldham Rd.
Possibly an error by whoever filled in the records.
Viktoria.
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Paul and Blackburn Fossil,you mention F section,my grandparents and uncle are buried F474which is the Non Conformist section.
There is no headstone but a large grave behind theirs ,literally backing on to it has a little girl , named "Little Maggie" buried .
I know how many places down the grave was, although unmarked,because of the little girl`s grave. I would expect the headstone will now be fallen over or removed,sadly.
It took my grandfather,so poor were they, two years to pay for my grandmother`s funeral in 1916.
It cost a little over £6-00.
My dad at 19 was just off to the front when she died.
They never afforded a stone or even an urn.
I keep meaning to go back but it is not always a good place to be.
The last time,some years ago,I visited a grave behind the office,the whole area was littered with syringes and what looked like a dog that had been torn to pieces.
I`ve not been since.It used to be a lovely afternoon walk and then along the main path to cross the bridge over the Medlock to the park where the tulip beds were,such a sight on Tulip Sunday.
Thousands of visitors went.
All gone now.
Viktoria.
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The last time,some years ago,I visited a grave behind the office,the whole area was littered with syringes and what looked like a dog that had been torn to pieces.
I`ve not been since.It used to be a lovely afternoon walk and then along the main path to cross the bridge over the Medlock to the park where the tulip beds were,such a sight on Tulip Sunday.
Thousands of visitors went.
All gone now.
Viktoria.
Hi Viktoria
PP cemetery is now a lovely and very tranquil place to visit but to be honest I have never gone into the park so I don't know what that is like.
Ken
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It was the cemetery where we were,the part where my maternal aunt is buried is just behind the
old office right near the main gates.
Round a corner ,quite hidden.
You go in the main gate, pass the old office and turn immediately left, the grave is again left ,quite near to the stone wall alongside Briscoe Lane.
We did not have time to visit the park on that occasion.Viktoria.
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Hi Viktoria
F474 NonCom is no where near the Briscoe Lane wall but down near the river.
Plots A,B & C along the wall are all CofE and really right up to the Main Riverdale Road entrance which drops you into the NonCom section.
NonCom indicated as F2 on the map
Regards
Ken
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You have mis- understood my post.
My grandparents and an uncle are in the Non- Conformist section F.The grave with Little Maggie`s grave behind it.
I have the number and grave papers and receipt for the Funeral.
I said I was visiting an aunt`s grave when the syringes littered the place and the remains of a dog were lying about ,this is the section A near the Briscoe Lane entrance,behind the old offices which faced the lovely War Memorial.
Totally different graves and locations.
Grandparents and uncle in NonCon Fsection.
Aunt in A section( I did not say A in my post as I have just seen the map you kindly posted.}
But F is the first section I spoke of,not far from the bridge over The Medlock.
Viktoria.
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Looking at the map I really feel there is an error.
I know the cemetery so well and my friends and I walked there often.
In addition my grandson had a contract to straighten the headstones in the tiny Jewish cemetery
which was right at the end, up to Bank St which separated The Roman Catholic cemetery from the Protestant one.A tiny little Synagogue was there too.
That is the EEsection.
The map says section A3 is the Jewish cemetery but that is nowhere near where I know it was.
I lived on nearby Bradford Road after the war and when married on The Colony-a small housing development off Hulme Hall Lane so the park and cemetery were within a few minutes walk and I took my chlldren regularly.
It had always been a nice walk and Sunday afternoons after Sunday school my friends and I went tyere right up to being teenagers.
If you went to BankSt you couldcross the Medlock there and it was a short cut to Ashton New Road where there was a shop which sold food for hens.
My dad and I went very often, dad kept hens.
He laughed one day when I asked why there was music on the graves in the little gated cemetery.
I had never seen Hebrew script,dad explained it all.
I remember the fine chapels which were demolished,and had been used for funerals if people did not belong to a particular church or Chapel.
There was a babies` section near Hulme Hall lane which was removed when the stadium was erected.That was sad
.Paupers graves below the first part of the main through path,on the right. That is also where the soldier from Rorke`s drift was buried, "Zulu",the medical orderly.
He sold his medals through need.
Viktoria.
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Googled another map,Ken and on that EE is the Jewish section.Where I remember it.
All the Cof E, Non Con and R.C are colour coded,the Jewish also.
There were also photographs of the Jewish cemetery ,but not the little synagogue, perhaps it too has been demolished.It is sad isn`t it.
Thanks for your help.Viktoria.
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The key on this map is an example to the reference system used to define the sections.
The Jewish section is marked as EE3 (bit small to see the number) that is just the strange way it was planned.
It is sad to see the demise of the last chapel in the CofE section yep all the rest have gone and the two gate houses were sold I believe one sold for a £1 just so it would get restored.
Regards
Ken
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I noticed that but how silly when it could have been done correctly.
Thank you for that,I`ll sleep tonight now! ;D
Cheerio, Viktoria .