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I would be so greatful if anyone could give me any help. I live in Houston, Texas and am filling in some blanks on my father's paternal side, surname is Summers.
My grandfather's uncle is listed in the 1881 Census along with his sister and mother in his household. That census is for the Civil Parish of Saint Woolos, Newport Monmouth and his occupation is listed as Clerk in Holy Gardens.
The names are James F. Summers (head), Louisa M. (mother) and Eva M. L. (sister). I tried researching where Holy Gardens is but can't seem to find any references to it, perhaps a church property that was sold or renamed.
On the next census of 1891 he is listed as residing at St. John the Baptist Vicarage in Newport and as a Priest in the Church of England. The Census record now has him and his sister but no longer the mother. Also listed are his wife, Ella M. Summers, mother in law, Louisa C. Child and 2 nephews and a nurse.
I am pretty sure his mother (my GG Grandmother) Louisa Margaret Summers must have died within that 10 year period and most likely buried in Newport. She was a widow and her other sons had all gone out to China to work in the Postal and Customs Services so I can't imagine her moving out on her own or going to live elsewhere.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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Modified:
Sorry but I meant to say the 1891 and 1901 Census records.
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Hi
Louisa is still with James in 1891 age 49 bn Dundalk, Ireland living at 13 York Place
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01hfc/
Added She is not with James in 1901 ;)
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I see Eva has been married / widowed by 1901 and has two children one born China the other London. Maybe Louisa was in London with her :-\
Deaths Mar 1894
Louisa Margaret Summers
age 53 Marylebone 1a 43
ADDED I see in 1861 census she has the middle name Margaret
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You should be able to find Louisa Margaret Summers on the probate register
Probate Date 1 Jun 1894
Death Date 22 Mar 1894
Probate to Rev James Francis Summers
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills
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are you sure about the census year? The Summers are in Newport in 1891 when James' occupation in Clerk in Holy Orders. Louisa in visiting a Sutton household in Sittingbourne, Kent in 1881. RG11/975 folio 72 pg 9.
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I tried researching where Holy Gardens is but can't seem to find any references to it, perhaps a church property that was sold or renamed.
When do you have him at Holy Gardens.
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Hi
Louisa is still with James in 1891 age 49 bn Dundalk, Ireland living at 13 York Place
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01hfc/
Added She is not with James in 1901 ;)
Thanks, I should have done a better job of proofing before posting!
I have modified the subject and noted the correct Census years in my original post.
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When do you have him at Holy Gardens.
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In the 1891 Census, in the 1901 Census he is at the St. John the Baptist Vicarage.
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You should be able to find Louisa Margaret Summers on the probate register
Probate Date 1 Jun 1894
Death Date 22 Mar 1894
Probate to Rev James Francis Summers
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills
Thanks so much, I was not familiar with that website for wills and probate records. That's a great resource!
The probate record says she died at 90 Harley Street, Middlesex. Would that be in or near London? I found a 90 Harley Street in London but that is in Marylebone. Wikipedia says "Harley Street is a street in Marylebone, central London, which has been noted since the 19th century for its large number of private specialists in medicine and surgery". Perhaps she was there for medical reasons and died.
She did have one son who did not go to China but stayed in England. I didn't mention him in my original post as his mother is not listed in his home. He is William A. Summers and is in the 1891 Census in Kensington Civil Parish of London. Also listed at his residence is his wife, Evelyn R., daughter Marie R. and son, Edwin M. which was my grandfather. Also the mother in law, Harriot Bond.
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Harley Street is in Central London, close to Oxford Street ;D
1891 census James is living at 13 York Place
You should be able to find James probate too
James Francis Summers
Probate 14 Jul 1941
Registry Llandudno
Death 10 May 1941
Death Place Hertfordshire, England
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Thanks rosie99, you have been very helpful.
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Hi
Have you seen this report of James' marriage?
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3733443/3733449/110/
Looks like he had a new parish and church to minister to
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3469221/3469224/77/
and there was some discussion on rites and incense
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/4208400/4208402/11/
and his opinions on his wages in 1919!
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/4426992/4426993/14/
he is often referred to as J Frank Summers
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As rosie99 has pointed out, 1891 Census states James' occupation is Clerk Holy Orders (not Gardens).
Annette
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As rosie99 has pointed out, 1891 Census states James' occupation is Clerk Holy Orders (not Gardens).
Annette
Thanks, my online copy was not too sharp to see that!
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that was me who mentioned Clerk in Holy orders, not Rosie.
;)