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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: Carbar on Sunday 15 May 16 13:24 BST (UK)
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I am looking at the family of George Eastwood (b 1726 Burwash) & Elizabeth Tindall (b1759 Dallington). Their son Henry (Harry) is my great x 4 grandfather, married to Ruth Rummery (B 1804 Heathfield - another brick wall so far - parents/ siblings as yet unidentified). I have been looking at Henry's siblings & am struggling with his brother Stephen. Stephen was baptised 23 March 1794 in Burwash. On looking to see if he married, I found several Stephen Eastwoods of similar age & location. looking at trees on ancestry, several different stephens have been attributed with the same wife so obviously not checked properly. I have found a Stephen married 16 feb 1821 to Elizabeth Hyland (this wife seems to be claimed by most of the trees!) & a Stephen married 8th feb 1807 Burwash to Jane Davis - this is not the Stephen in my tree as he was still a child at the time of this marriage. The Stephen married to Elizabeth Hyland is of the the right possible age but I am not sure that it is the right Stephen either. It is possible the Stephen I am looking at didn't marry at all. I have a possible death for him in 1869 in Ticehurst but again this could be for any of the Stephens!!
Thank you
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Hello Carbar
I found a marriage on the Sussex Marriage Index for George & Elizabeth
At Burwash 10 Dec 1790
A Baptisum for Henry,16 Nov 1800.
Is this right ?it would have made George 64 when he married
omega
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Hello
2 burials at Burwash
Stephen Eastwood,infant,25 May 1795
Stephen Easwood,24,31 Oct 1818
Hope this helps
omega
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Hi
Thank you, I have prematurely aged George, his baptism was 1st Feb 1762 not 1726!! he was 28yrs when he married. He was 37yrs when son Henry was born.
Best wishes
Carole
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Thanks again - I think he was the infant that died in 1795.
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Hi Carbar
I have George Eastwood in my family tree. George's sister Hannah married a Thomas Pilbeam and were my 5x great grandparents.
I don't have a son, Stephen for George and Elizabeth Tindall, the children I have for them are:
Anne, Mary, Thomas, John, Henry and Elizabeth.
I need to go and have another look. I have the Stephen who died in 1795 as the son of Samuel Eastwood, brother to George. Baptised 6 May 1795 and buried 24 May 1795.
Kerry
Kerry
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Just found Stephen baptised at Burwash, to George and Elizabeth on 23 March 1794.
Thank you
Kerry
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Hi Kerry
I have Hannah & her husband Thomas Pilbeam in my tree. Hannah would be my great x 6 aunt.
Best wishes
Carole
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Hi Kerry
while trying to find info re the various Stephen Eastwoods, I found several trees that had Samuels son Stephen, baptised 6th May 1795, as marrying Elizabeth Hyland on 16th Feb 1821. My thoughts were that is was either Samuels son or George's son that married Elizabeth Hyland but I think it was probably Samuels.
Best wishes
Carole
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Searching for census returns for Stephen Eastwood, born 1794 +-5 years and not coming up with anything so maybe both Stephen's, George's son and Samuel's son are dead by that time.
I thought it was Samuel's son that died in 1795 because he was described as an infant and was a matter of days old, but of course without proof!
Kerry
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It does look likely that one died in 1795 and as Omega stated
one died aged 24 in 1818. So likely that these are both the Stephen, hence none on the census returns.
Kerry
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The Stephen who died in 1869 in Ticehurst, according to the death index was aged 71 so therefore born 1798. I think it highly likely that he was the one born (baseborn) to Elizabeth in 1799.
Kerry
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Btw I have taken to completely ignoring Ancestry trees. They are usually complete and utter gobbledy gook! Occasionally you find a proper tree with some cited sources but very few are done properly these days on that site. >:(
Kerry
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Hi Kerry
just to add to the Stephen confusion...another one was born in Burwash, Stephen Eastwood & possibly Anne Langridge had a son Stephen, baptised 5 Oct 1788, he married (I think) Jane Davis on 8th Feb 1807 in Burwash.
A Stephen & Elizabeth Eastwood are on the 1841 census for Etchingham along with their 7 children - including another Stephen!!
Best wishes
Carole
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Yep just found that one, I was searching for Burwash, Sussex and I think that was proving too narrow a search.
I think it may have been the 1799 Stephen who married Elizabeth Hyland and then died in 1869 in Ticehurst. Purely because the 1841 census for that Stephen has him born 1801?? which is only two years out for 1799 but 7 years out for 1794. She seems to have died before him between 1841 and 1851.
Kerry
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Hi Kerry
I agree with your comment on Ancestry. I look to see if anyone has attached any evidence to their record if I hit a brick wall - occasionally they have but usually its just trees copied from other trees without any checking that the info is correct. It is quite funny to see children born before their parents were or people attached to trees just because they share the same surname!!!
Best wishes
Carole
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Hello Carole & Kerry :)
Carole I found Ruth`s baptisum,10 Nov 1811 aged 7 but no parents names.Ive never seen this before.
kind regards
omega
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Hi Omega
Just found that, who ever filled in the register must have forgotten to write the names. Perhaps they were celebrating too early!!!!!
There is a John and Philadelphia Rumary having other children baptised in Heathfield around the same time. Could be possible parents.
Kerry
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According to the Sussex Marriage Index they married in Heathfield on 20 July 1803.
John Rhumary was a bachelor and Philadelphia Kemp was spinster, daughter of William and Mary and both were of this parish.
Kerry
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Ruth Rummary married Henry Eastwood on17 Dec 1821 in Burwash. Would the marriage records record who her father was?
Thanks
Carole
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There are no further details on the Sussex Marriage Index but it might be worth looking at the original record to see if there are witnesses named. Fathers' names did not have to appear until after civil registration in 1837. That couple did have a lot of children so it might be worth looking at naming patterns as one of the boys may have been named after her father. I can't see suitable baptism for her on the SFHG site but the spelling variants do confuse the search.
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Thank you. Think I will have to go to The Keep to see if there are any other records that may possibly link to her or her siblings/parents, she is a bit of a mystery,
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Have found a few possibilities for Ruth's parentage.
John Rummary & Philiadelphia Kemp married in 1803 so she could have been their first child - being born in 1804, their next child is baptized 2 yrs later in 1806 although it seems strange they baptized 2 other children before her - Elizabeth in 1806 & Reuben in 1809, Their next child baptized was David on 28 Apr 1811 - so I think this family is unlikely to be Ruth's.
Another alternative is that she was a child born late in a marriage. I have located a Richard Rummery & Ann Prior who had Abigal baptized 20 apr 1783, & Benedicta, Zilpah & Henry all baptized 25 Feb 1793.
There is also a John Rummery & Sarah, they had at least 7 children, all baptised between 1781 & 1800, Ruth Rummary & Henry Eastwood had sons called George, Henry, James & John - all very common names.
so...still no further forward with this one.......
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Returning to George Eastwood baptised 01 Feb 1762, I have him as a son of William and Ann nee Monk(e) who married 10 June 1739 at St Bartholomew, Burwash.
Does this tie in with your understanding of George's parentage?
I am descended from William's and Ann's daughter Ann baptised 02 June 1742 at Burwash, William is my greatx5 grandfather.
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Hi Artifis
William and Ann Monke are the same parents, as I have for George.
I have Ann as marrying Thomas Ford on 17 January 1769 in Burwash.
Kerry
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Hi Kerry, yes I have that date as well.
A distant cousin descended from the Pilbeam link to William and Ann did a lot of actual records checking at The Keep and we collaborated on taking the Eastwood line and Monk(e) line back as far as we could. Unfortunately I believe that he has now passed away as I can no longer contact him on either of the two email addresses I had for him.
We think William's parents were James (John) Issed baptised 07 Mar 1668 at Mayfield who married Ann Piper on 26 Oct 1704 at Mayfield but there is uncertainty in this link. Does that tie in with any information you have?
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Hi Artifis
If you read http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=259641.msg5652744#msg5652744 a post from a few years back you will see that is where mine and some other's research was going.
I haven't added the details of James (John) to the tree yet because I don't think we can confirm it, presumably because I was going to go to the Keep and check out the records, something I am yet to do. Life keeps getting in the way!
Kerry
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In my tree, I have George Eastwood 1762-1824, Burwash married to Elizabeth Tindall 1759, Dallington - 1839, Burwash. (great grandparents x 5)
I have William Eastwood 1716, Burwash married to Ann Monk c1719 - 1799, Burwash as his parents.
I have John (James) Eastwood, 1668 - 1754, Mayfield, married to Ann Piper, 1676 - 1742, Mayfield as Williams parents.
I haven't got any further back with the Eastwoods yet but have traced Ann's ancestors back a few more generations.
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Oh dear, I admit right now that I got my information from ancestry.com, not the most reliable, but I have William Eastwood, born 1716, Ann Monk, 1719 - 1779, they're my 5th great grandparents, then I have John Eastwood, 1679 - 1743, Mayfield, Sussex, married to Ann Piper, 1676 - 1742. After reading all the information here, I think I have a few dates wrong. Forgive me, I'm a beginner!
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Hi griffo99
William Eastwood & Ann Monk are my 6x Great Grandparents. I do have a tree on ancestry but if you want to contact me on ancestry i am happy share it with you. It is very easy to get ames, dates & places wrong - huge families with lots having the same ame & similar dates of birth
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Hello.
Would anyone know why William Eastwood bapt March 20th 1714 Mayfield,son of John and Ann,is shown as William Nevell Eastwood on most Ancestry Community Trees.The reason i ask,i have a large number of DNA matches going back to these Sussex Eastwoods,they are somehow connected to my East Sussex family,probably through one of two illigitimate lines.There are several other shared matches who go back to a family named Neville,and variants.Im just wondering where the Nevell in William Nevell Eastwood comes from.
Nel.
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Have you tried asking the tree owners?
I've had a brief look at two trees that give William's name as William Nevell Eastwood and there seem to be some errors or confusion: buried in Yorkshire in 1787 but also died in Burwash in Sussex in 1788. ?? That doesn't add up. Do you have any evidence to show that William spent time in Yorkshire?
Nell
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Sussex Family History Group have William's baptism transcribed as in Mayfield 20 March 1714/15 just as William. Similarly in the transcriptions for his marriage and burial.
That kind of suggests that either the trees showing Neville are mistake or somewhere along the line the name was imported into William's name.
Ancestry shows two William Eastwood's marrying in Yorkshire in about the same period as the Burwash marriage 10 June 1739.
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Thanks for the replies.
The community tree feature on Ancestry is really just a suggestion they give having refered to the research of other members,so im not sure you can view any trees.Its just that ive noticed him refered to as William Nevell Eastwood quite a lot in the course of my research.I think his mothers maiden name was Piper.
I think the Sussex/Yorkshire confusion just comes from mistakes made by people unfamiliar with the geography of this country,as there are big Eastwood families in both counties.The ones im intrested in are the Sussex ones.
I have quite a large number of matches going back to these Eastwoods,especially to people descended from Benjamin Eastwood and Jane Brazil.Then theres a number of matches who match these matches,who go back to chalk diggers named Parris and Nevill,who lived around Halling and Snodland in Kent.Thats why im intrigued about his middle name given as Nevell.
Nel.
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Hello.
Would anyone know why William Eastwood bapt March 20th 1714 Mayfield,son of John and Ann,is shown as William Nevell Eastwood on most Ancestry Community Trees.The reason i ask,i have a large number of DNA matches going back to these Sussex Eastwoods,they are somehow connected to my East Sussex family,probably through one of two illigitimate lines.There are several other shared matches who go back to a family named Neville,and variants.Im just wondering where the Nevell in William Nevell Eastwood comes from.
Nel.
Hi Nel,
William Eastwood would be my 6x Great Grandfather. I have my tree up on Ancestry and cannot see any reference to Nevell in it. Be interesting to see if you have a DNA match with me. My Ancestry user name is swebby1.
Regards
Sean
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I placed the original query a few years ago & my research has mpved on since then but i have not located anything to suggest that William Eastwood had a middle name of Nevell. I have looked at trees on ancestry where he is given that name but cannot find any evidence for this.