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Hi everyone
This is the first post i have made on rootschat, so apologies if i haven't posted it in the right place!
Here is where i need help...
My Grt Grandma Annie Taylor b. April 1872 in Reading. Her Father was Samuel Taylor, Mother Charlotte (formerly Grimley).
I can't find Samuel or Charlotte's Birth, marriage or death details??
Here is the info i have, I have the family on the 1871 Census, living in St Lawrence, Berkshire...
Samuel Taylor b.1831 Ikstone Derbyshire Head
Charlotte Taylor b. 1840 Sheepshed, Leics Wife
Edward Taylor b. 1863 Ikstone Derbyshire Son
Frederick Taylor b. 1867 Reading Berkshire Son
Ellen Taylor b.1869 Reading Berkshire Daughter
By the 1881 census Charlotte was living with a new man (samuel was still alive), called William Cripps (who annie always thought was her father untill she saw her birth cert).
1881 Census Heston in Middlesex....
William Cripps b.1873 Moreton Berks Head
Charlotte Cripps b.1840 Sheepshed Leics Wife
Ann Cripps b. 1872 Reading Daughter
can anyone point me in the right direction as i would really love to find more info on Samuel Taylor and Charlotte??
Hope that makes sense! any help would be much appreciated!
Thanks
Lena
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Hi Lena,
Welcome to RootsChat
Since their first child appears to have been born in Derbyshire, I would look for a marriage in that area if you have not already done so. Unfortunately it does not show up on FreeBMD yet or on the IGI.
Have you tracked Samuel and Charlotte through any other census? You could ask for a look-up on the Derbyshire board for Samuel in 1851 and Charlotte on the Leicestershire board. Someone may be able to track down some possible families. Curiously the only Charlotte Grimley showing on the 1861 census born 1840 ish in Leicestershire is already married to Richard Grimley and she was born in the same village as your Charlotte. Was Charlotte married before she met Samuel? I can't find a Samuel Taylor who matches your criteria though. Several born in Derbyshire around the right time but none born in or near Ilkstone.
This is very curious. ???
Nell
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Hi Nell
Thanks for your reply!
I haven't tracked them on the 1851 census, I will post a message asking for lookup's like you suggested.
I did notice that married Charlotte Grimley on the 1861 and did wonder whether it was the same Charlotte, does seem a coincidence, but she is also on the 1871 census as still being married to Richard, so don't think this is the same person??
I am not sure if Charlotte was married before she met Samuel.
Will keep searching
Thanks for your help!
Lena
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Lena
could this be him?
Saml Taylor abt 1840 Ilkeston, Derbyshire, England Boarder Hulme Lancashire
this chappie was single
there were two others born in Ilkeston, one born 1853 and one born 1830, whose wife was called Mary
rgds joanne
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Hi Lena
Had another look at 1861. There is a family in Ilkeston in 1861 at RG9/2437/6 page 6 - Samuel and Charlotte Gilbert aged 28 and 22 respectively. Their birth places match your Samuel and Charlotte. They already had a couple of children and father-in-law was there too!
Nell
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Perhaps Samuel was married before he met Charlotte??
How bizarre about that Samuel and Charlotte Gilbert, the places of birth match up. Could they have changed their name to taylor for some reason?? Though i know annie was def born in 1872 (i have her birth cert). Hmmmm very puzzling!!
Joanne - I will have a closer look at the census see if any of those Samuels could be the right one
Cheers!!
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OK, I can't resist adding to the intrigue.......
Remember Charlotte and Samuel GILBERT 1861 right places of birth etc....
1881 in full
William CRIPPS Head 4 Moreton, Berkshire, Gardiner
Charlotte CRIPPS Wife M 41 Sheephead, Leicester
Ellen CRIPPS Dau 12 Reading, Berkshire Scholor
Ann CRIPPS Dau 9 Reading, Berkshire Scholor
William CRIPPS Son 8 Reading, Berkshire Scholor
James CRIPPS Son 6 Heston, Middlesex Scholor
1891
William Cripps is claiming to be a widower, living as a boarder in Hammersmith along with son James CRIPPS from 1881 (age 15, born Hounslow)
RG12/36 fol 170 p20
this made me wonder... was he really a widower?
Look what turns up
1891
GILBERT Charlotte 1842 Shepshead, Leicestershire, Head Wid
GILBERT William 1873 Reading, Berkshire, Son
GILBERT Frederick 1878 Hounslow, Middlesex, Son
GILBERT Mary 1884 Hounslow, Middlesex, Daughter
RG12/1025 fol 41 p25
Where is Annie? More to the point, what name is she using.
ec
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And it looks like she went back to CRIPPS for 1901
Charlotte Cripps 1842 Loughboro Leicestershire Head
Arthur W Cripps 1874 Reading Berkshire England Son
Frederick Cripps 1880 Hounslow Middlesex England Son
Mary Cripps 1885 Hounslow Middlesex England Dau
Ruth L Charman 1881 Fetcham Surrey England Visitor
RG13/1185 f18 p119
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oh my gosh! I think you may be on to something here. When Charlotte left Samuel Taylor for William Cripps, on the following census, Samuel claimed he was a widower, which we know he wasn't as Charlotte was still alive. So perhaps you are right, she was still alive after the 1891 census where William says he is a widower.
i'd not been able to find Charlotte after the 1881 census, so this is very exciting!
one more question though, where did the Grimley name come from, on Annie (Charlotte's Daughter) Birth cert it says Charlottes name was formerly Grimley? (could this be her birth surname?
Thanks for all your help so far!! :)
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p.s. Annie married in 1890, using the name Cripps, family stories have it that she always belived William Cripps to be her father untill she found her birth cert and realised Samuel was her father (and that she was born a few years earlier/later than she thought.)
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Hi there
If you look at the 1861 census entry for Charlotte and Samuel Gilbert it has the father in law as William GREEN. I would take that to mean Charlotte's father BUT he and the other inlaws all appear to be born Derbyshire not Leicestershire where she claims to be from. Mind you the porkies she told you'd be hard pressed to believe anything ;D
Stupid question, does it definitely say 'formerly Grimley', nothing else?
I think your next step is a 1851 look up for Ilkeston for Samuel GILBERT or TAYLOR b c1831 ish
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Same for Shepshed, Leicestershire for Charlotte GRIMLEY or GREEN b 1840 ish and see what that turns up
I think you are going to need to spend a fair bit of money on certs to prove anything! I'd start by trying to identify one child from another liaison (ie. not same as Annies father) and see what that reveals
ec
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Hi
Have you got Annie in 1891 and 1901? - any unexplained names in the family?
I would also have a go at trying to trace the marriages/census entries for some of the other kids....you never know what they might reveal
ec
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Hi ya,
I do have annie on the 1891 & 1901 census, she married a George Worsdale. As far as i know there are no other unexplained names in the family
I think it does say Grimley, though i suppose it could be something else as the writing isn't great.
Thanks for all your help, you are all stars!
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This looks like the birth of Charlotte GILBERT as shown at 1 mo on the 1861 census
Births Jun 1861
GILBERT Charlotte Basford 7b 103
they obviously thought their name was GILBERT at that point
and this looks like the older sister
Births Sep 1859
Gilbert Annie Maria Basford 7b 91
ec
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Looks like Anna Maria is the right one
Annie Maria Gilbert
Birth 22 MAY 1859
Christening 19 DEC 1860 Ilkeston, Derby, England
Father Samuel Gilbert
Mother Charlotte
Batch No C018459
same batch
Charlotte Gilbert
Birth 05 MAR 1861
Christening 09 APR 1862 Ilkeston, Derby, England
Father Samuel Gilbert
Mother Charlotte
Looks like they married a fair bit earlier
Maria Gilbert
Birth 14 JUL 1857
Christening 23 AUG 1857 Ilkeston, Derby, England
Father Samuel Gilbert
Mother Charlotte
This is interesting:-
Mary Ann Taylor Gilberts
Female
Birth 18 AUG 1824
Christening 08 SEP 1844 Ilkeston, Derby, England
Father Joseph Gilberts Family
Mother Elizabeth
ec
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Hi lenawylie
I have the answer to your question, or at least some of it.
Charlotte GRIMLEY married Samuel GILBERT June 1856
The both have reference Basford 7b 175
Basford is the district that covers Ilkeston
Whether either was married before and whether GRIMLEY was her maiden name or a previous married name, you will only find out by getting the certificate I think
Hope this helps
ec
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I may be splitting hairs but the correct spellings are Shepshed and Ilkeston nowdays, this may help you with your search. If you get into Nottinghamshire let me know. Basford covers the borders of Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire.
Jane
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EC - Apologies for taking so long to reply!
that is all so interesting, I can't belive how much you have found out! that certainly gives me lots to look into! and lots of certificates to apply for!
Thank you so much!!!
Lena
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Hi Lena
It was a pleasure
ec