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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Westmeath => Topic started by: ab196 on Wednesday 06 July 16 19:56 BST (UK)
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Hi, I am hoping someone might be able to help. I have Margaret King born about 1840 in Co. Westmeath. I don't know where or when she married but it appears to be to a James McMahon. I don't know where he was from originally either but they seem to have gone to Lurgan, Co. Armagh and settled there.
I would be interested in finding out where in Co. Westmeath she was born and who her parents were and if possible anything about the man she married.
If anyone can shed any light please on this I would be grateful.
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Is this the woman in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Lurgan_Urban/Arthur_Street/1024571/
It would be best to work back step by step.
A child's birth or Baptisim to check her husband's name
Than their marriage and so on.
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There is an Elizabeth in 1869 to James McMahon and Margaret King
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633282#page/31/mode/1up
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Hi Sinann
Yes that is the right family and I have been able to get some of the details on the children born to Margaret King and James McMahon but I have hit a brick wall regarding details about themselves. I have no idea where exactly they were born or who their parents were except for the fact that the census states that Margaret was from Co. Westmeath. Thanks Sinann for looking.
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What date is the earliest birth of their children?
That would give an approx date to look for a marriage.
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I have a Mary Jane born in 1865. That seems to be in the Lurgan area also. Maybe I should try a year or two before that for a marriage in the Lurgan area on the assumption that is where they met. I will try that and let you know how I get on.
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The NLI only has marriages for Shankill from 1866 but RootsIreland (subscription) has them from 1822
https://www.johngrenham.com/records/rc_church.php?churchid=0454&parish=Shankill
One of the Northern Ireland sites might be better.
Civil Reg only started in 1864 so hopefully their marriage made it on there.
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Should have asked before, have you found the baptisms of the son Patrick and daughter Catherine that are with her on the Census.
Also are any of the sponsors on the baptisms of any of the children Kings or McMahons?
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Civil registration of births, deaths and Catholic marriages started in 1864. A daughter Mary Jane was born in 1865 and there doesn't seem to be any sign of a civil marriage record so I suspect it was a Catholic ceremony which took place before 1864. Based on Margaret's age (60) in 1901 census it's possible one or more children were born before 1864. It's also possible that Elizabeth's twin didn't survive.
I did notice that Mary Jane's (1865) birth is listed as Montiaghs (probably the registration sub-district) so you might want to expand the search area for church records if nothing earlier is found in Shankill Parish. Baptisms from 1822-
http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0454
http://www.craigavonhistoricalsociety.org.uk/rev/turkingtonmontiaghs.html
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... I have a Mary Jane born in 1865 ...
The name varies between Mahon and McMahon, but there are 4 baptisms before this for father James and mother Margaret King, all in Seagoe RC parish: Margaret 1855; Catherine 1857; James 1860; Mary 1863. Can't find parent's marriage.
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Margaret says she is 60 in 1901, if true that would give her a birth year of 1840/41 so an 1855 birth is pushing it.
We need births/ baptisms of know children in the 1901 census to make sure this Margaret is in fact King.
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Her daughter Catherine appears to have married a Richard Mullin 1891
http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/8653677110942
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Found Patrick 1874 mother King
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633282#page/62/mode/1up
So I wonder if Catherine and Elizabeth are one and the same.
Is it safe to assume Margaret cut a few years off her age!
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This death is close to the 1901 census age (and would explain why she doesn't seem to be in 1911- unless someone else has found her in 1911?)- onyl 4 results for Margaret McMahon 1900s Lurgan district but of course she could have died elsewhere-
Margaret McMahon c1839-1904 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FTFF-JP5
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Thanks Sinann, aghadowey and gaffy for all the information. It is very possible her age is different from that stated. I am going to look more closely at these details and see how they fit in and I will let you know how I get on.
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Hi everyone,
I just wanted to give you an update on where I am with this at the moment.
So far I have James McMahon 1838 - 1888 married to Margaret King 1840 - 1904. The children are Mary Jane 1865 - 1903 married to James Casey; Elizabeth 1869 - 1872; her twin James 1869 - 1920 married to Catherine McGlade ; Catherine 1870 married to Richard Mullin (spelling of surname varies); and Patrick 1874 - 1917 married to Margaret Grant.
I need to look further at Catherine and Richard and I still do not know where exactly James McMahon snr and Margaret King were born or who their parents might have been but thanks to all of you I have been able to get this far. I will keep you posted if I come up with anything else.
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Have you discounted these children of a James Mahon/McMahon & Margaret King?
The name varies between Mahon and McMahon, but there are 4 baptisms before this for father James and mother Margaret King, all in Seagoe RC parish: Margaret 1855; Catherine 1857; James 1860; Mary 1863. Can't find parent's marriage.
I need to look further at Catherine and Richard
If this is Catherine in 1911 (again husband not in same household) then years married is off just a few years but no children?
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Lurgan_Urban/Edward_Street/295542
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Hi aghadowey, I did see that and became all the more confused but the more I think about it I believe it is the same Catherine and the John Casey aged 14 is , I think, her nephew whose own mother died in 1903. I don't know yet what has happened to Richard, her husband, as she is shown as married and like you I can not find any children for her.
I have not yet discounted the details from gaffy as it seems James and Margaret were in Seagoe Parish at some point.