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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Hampshire & Isle of Wight => Topic started by: brigcs on Saturday 16 July 16 12:03 BST (UK)
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I have the birth of a child VERNON CLAUDE CALLAND-SCOBLE on 19th September 1903 at 4, Woodby Road, Woolston, Itchin, Southampton. His mother is named as Helen Marie (born Ellen) Calland-Scoble nee Hammond. I have all the family history going back years but Ellen is my brickwall. I have no knowledge of her after this birth and know that the child was brought up with her family in Norfolk. Her husband Henry George next surfaces in 1910 in Australia.
I was wondering if anyone could tell me how to access Hampshire death records? I feel that's where I need to start.
Thank you for your help. :)
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Have you tried freebmd http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
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Yes thanks. I tried that this morning with all sorts of variations of the name and with a +5 years.
I will get there one day. I have a letter written by Vernon showing that he never knew what happened to his Mother.
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Do you have her date of birth :-\
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I stumbled upon a marriage for her in South Africa in 1909 to Ralph Thomas Stephen Andrew :
http://www.identitynumber.org/marriage-lookup-surname-results.php?surname=ANDREW
It links to a familysearch image but the link goes to the wrong page and I haven't yet found the right one ! However there is a baptism record in 1911 for Rhona Thelma Sylvia Andrew , parents Ralph Thomas Stephen and Helen Marie Andrew :
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVS4-NV4R
and another record for a late baptism in 1931 of Joan Atholie Margaret Andrew born in 1916 to parents Ralph Thomas Stephen Andrew and Helen Marie Callard Andrew :
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVS4-159R
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I stumbled upon a marriage for her in South Africa in 1909 to Ralph Thomas Stephen Andrew :
http://www.identitynumber.org/marriage-lookup-surname-results.php?surname=ANDREW
It links to a familysearch image but the link goes to the wrong page
Excellent find CB53 - here is the link to the marriage image
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01i0n/
She says she is widowed ::)
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Thank you Rosie , now I can stop looking !
Christine
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I've found an online tree showing Ralph T S Andrew and wife Helen Marie Hammond with one son listed , Stanley Jack Andrew b 18 May 1912 Durban.
Ralph Thomas Stephen Andrew J-M 1877 Chester 8a 422
There is an R T S Andrew , born about 1875 , a soldier returning from Australia 23 Jan 1902 , but I haven't found Helen or Ralph going to South Africa.
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Rosie I am in shock. Thank you so very very much. That is absolutely amazing and fits in perfectly with the story that she and her husband had gone to South Africa. We had discounted that. She had also lost one child so I wrongly assumed that she couldn't have abandoned my husband's Grandfather Vernon.
I have been hunting for Ellen for years and sadly my Father-in-law is now not well enough to understand but I can't wait to try and tell him.
Heavens a whole line of enquiry has opened up.
I really am so very grateful.
Thank you.
Brigcs
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Me again.
Still in shock.
Christine where did you come across the online tree?
Thank you so much. You and Rosie have performed a miracle for me today.
Brigcs
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Rosie I am in shock. Thank you so very very much.
Christine did all the hard work, not me ;) ;D ;D
Rosie
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Yes Rosie you are right. Christine you were the one who knocked down my wall so thank you so very much. I will be smiling about this for days.
Yesterday evening I was so amazed that I went into following up your leads like a bull in a china shop.
Today I will tell my Father-in-law about his Gran. He won't be able to respond and might not even understand me but I know that he would have been equally excited.
I have just one more question. Which Ancestry package do I need to continue on with the Andrew family?
Happy Sunday to you both.
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You're very welcome, brigcs. The tree I mentioned is on Ancestry. Most of what I found is available without subscription but a UK sub with either Ancestry or FindMyPast would help you trace the families here. There are some records for South Africa on familysearch - just select "search", then select "records" from the dropdown menu to bring up the world map. Click on Africa , select South Africa to bring up a list of what's available. I don't think a sub with any of the usual subscription sites will help much with searching there. You might like to ask a Moderator to move your post to the South Africa board to see if anyone there can help you , but bear in mind that we cannot discuss living people if you are wanting to move forward , rather than back. If you decide just to post a new topic on the SA board make sure you include a link to this topic to avoid duplication.
Good luck !
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Thanks again for all your help. I was able to tell my Father-in-law about his Gran. I don't think he understood me but you never know. The whole Calland-Scoble story back to 1777 has been very unusual. As they say, "it's in the Genes".
I hope that it is a beautiful sunny day wherever you are.
Brigcs
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Glad that you were able to tell your FIL about his gran even though he may not have registered any of it :(
It certainly was beautifully sunny yesterday 33 degrees here. This morning has also started well though hopefully it will be slightly cooler today.
Rosie
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I have the birth of a child VERNON CLAUDE CALLAND-SCOBLE on 19th September 1903 at 4, Woodby Road, Woolston, Itchin, Southampton. His mother is named as Helen Marie (born Ellen) Calland-Scoble nee Hammond. I have all the family history going back years but Ellen is my brickwall. I have no knowledge of her after this birth and know that the child was brought up with her family in Norfolk. Her husband Henry George next surfaces in 1910 in Australia.
I was wondering if anyone could tell me how to access Hampshire death records? I feel that's where I need to start.
Have you manage to locate Henry George in OZ after 1910? there is several documents on Family Search relating to his death in 1918,
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9GRG-5V7?mode=g&i=224&cc=1805122
this is a link to just one of them
Thank you for your help. :)
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Wow Bowman. Thank you for the link. It never fails to amaze me the records that are on the internet. I have just hunted on Family Search to see how you came across the records and if I hunt myself I can't see them. I wonder what I am doing wrong? Is it because I am searching from the UK and not Australia?
Once again many thanks. Every new documents adds to the complicated story.
Best wishes
Brigitte C-S
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I am in the UK, but I find you sometimes need to play around withn ames or the info you put in, in this case I searched for SCOBLE rather than his full surname, on the link I sent, if you click on the left pointing arrow alongside IMAGE you will move back and locate various other docs available.
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In case you do not have it, here is a link to Vernons RN record
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D6896818
easy to download.
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Hi, I think that address should be Woodley Rd, Woolston Southampton. I could make a difference when you are searching. I live in Woolston.
Good luck searching.
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Good evening.
I have come back to this family inspired by DNA tests that are throwing spanners into my years of family history studies.
It dawned on me that it would be worth me asking if anyone has a Pikes or a record like that that would tell me who was living at 4, Woodley Road, Woolston, Itchen in 1903?The Calland-Scoble family didn’t have a known link to the area.
Pandora, if you read this thank you for pointing out that it was Woodley Road. I remember the excitement of going on the Woolston ferry as a child.
Best wishes Brigcs