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Title: 2nd Battn Black Watch-Joseph Burns
Post by: BBaxter on Wednesday 03 August 16 17:34 BST (UK)

Good Morning,

Thank you for any help with my Burns family from Glasgow. Arthur and Elizabeth Burns had 9 children in Glasgow. I have them in 1891 and 1901 census. Their son Philip Burns born 1889 is my great great grandfather- he died in WWI. I am looking for his brother Joseph Burns born 1885. The Burns men were coal miners but also served in military. There is a  Joseph Burns, of the right age, who died serving in the 2nd Battn Black Watch, of "Fever WYD" in 1909. Any help finding out if this is my Joseph Burns I would be most grateful.

Thank you very much Barbara Baxter

Title: Re: 2nd Battn Black Watch-Joseph Burns
Post by: BW252 on Wednesday 03 August 16 19:04 BST (UK)

Barbara

there is a very good site called "The Black Watch Forums" which,  if you put this query on may be able to help identify Joseph and his family

Title: Re: 2nd Battn Black Watch-Joseph Burns
Post by: BBaxter on Wednesday 03 August 16 21:36 BST (UK)

Thank you very much. Was able to get some help from the RootsChat Lanarkshire forum and found this:

Name   Joseph Burns
Gender   Male
Birth Place   Rutherglen
Death Date   6 Nov 1909
Death Place   Sialkot
Rank   Private
Regiment   Roy Highr
Regimental Number   91

Now have something to go on and will try and find his military record. Thank you, Barbara

Title: Re: 2nd Battn Black Watch-Joseph Burns
Post by: isobelw on Wednesday 03 August 16 22:37 BST (UK)

There is a Register of Soldiers effects entry which confirms that this Joseph is the son of Arthur and Elizabeth with Elizabeth being shown as his next of kin. Payments are made in 1910 to family members including father Arthur, brothers Andrew, Arthur, Phillip and William and sisters Emily and Elizabeth. (Lizzie). There is a note that his mother had received a payment by personation and fraud and also that the mother's illegitimate son Andrew Morgan had received a payment and that Joseph had no brother called Andrew.
Isobel

Title: Re: 2nd Battn Black Watch-Joseph Burns
Post by: BBaxter on Thursday 04 August 16 13:08 BST (UK)

Thank you Isobel,

Got it! That is the Burns family. So far no sign of Joseph Burns' military record with the Black Watch. He was only 23 when he died but maybe there is a record somewhere. Thank you very much, Barbara

Title: Re: 2nd Battn Black Watch-Joseph Burns
Post by: km1971 on Monday 08 August 16 07:59 BST (UK)

Lucky he is in the 'Soldiers Effects' as, before WW1, they did not keep soldier's records. Although you should check FIndmypast just in case.

Ken

Title: Re: 2nd Battn Black Watch-Joseph Burns
Post by: BBaxter on Monday 08 August 16 18:49 BST (UK)

Thank you Ken. Every little bit of info helps. Did not know they did not keep soldeir's records before WWI. Thank you, B