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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Cumberland => England => Cumberland Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Lizzie Smyth Collis on Friday 30 September 16 08:55 BST (UK)
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I'm as far back as I can get with John Graham b 1845 in Hayton, Cumberland. I believe he married Janet Donaldson and had a number of children including my great grandfather, Robert Donaldson (1877 - 1911) I'm fairly new to this so if anybody can help me go back any further, or tell me how to do it, I'd be most grateful.
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Hi,
His marriage certificate should give the name and occupation of his father; using those details you could look for him with his parents on census records.
Nanny Jan
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Have you checked out the family in census forms ?This looks like the family in 1881 address Donkins Cottage Middlebie Dumfries
Janet Graham age 33 born Lockerbie ( locomotive engine drivers wife )
Elizabeth Graham age 12 b Carlisle
Annie Graham age 10 b Carlisle
Maggie Mary Graham age 7 b Lockerbie
Robert Donaldson Graham age 4 b Stranraer
Francis Jane Graham age 2 b Stranraer
The father must have been working away from home as he is boarding with a Joseph and Annie Moore Carlisle
Obtaining a marriage certificate should get you their fathers names
Rosie
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This is the marriage for John Graham and Janet Donaldson 13 September 1867 Dryfesdale
John Graham age 22 usual residence Carlisle (engine driver ) father Isaac Graham (farmer deceased) mother Jane Graham ( Bushby deceased)
Spouse Janet Donaldson age 20 usual residence Lockerbie ( dress maker ) father Robert Donaldson (joiner ) mother Ann Donaldson ( Dalgleish ) witnesses George Bell & Francis Donaldson
Rosie
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Can't help much with census records for John Graham but here is the birth for Janet Donaldson 5 August 1847 Dryfesdale father Robert Donaldson mother Ann Dalgleish ...There was another Janet born to this couple 23 January 1840 must have died between 1841 -1846
1841 Census address Lockerbie Bridge Street Dryfesdale
Robert Donaldson age 35 born about 1806 Dumfries ( joiner )
Ann Donaldson age 30 born about 1811 Selkirk
Francis Donaldson age 7 son
Margaret Donaldson age 5 daughter
Jen Donaldson age 1 ( this would be the Janet born 1840 )
Mary Dalgleish age 14
1851 Bridge Street Dryfesdale
Robert Donaldson age 44 ( house carpenter employing 6 men )
Ann Donaldson age 40
Margaret 15,John 13,Janet 3,Francis Mary 6 months
1861 same address and occupation
Robert 55,Ann 50, John 22,Jean ( Janet),Francis 10,Edward 8,Ann 5
1871 family in Union Street Dryfesdale Robert and Ann ..Francis and Edward
1881 Union Street Ann Donaldson age 72 with daughter Ann age 24
Mary Dalgleish age 21 dress maker
Ann still living Union Street 1891
You can check for deaths on Scotlands People for Robert and Ann which will give you their parents
Rosie
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1851 census in Hayton
Elizabeth Thompson 51 head Hayton
Thomas Thompson 24 son
Jane Graham 43 sister unmarried
John Graham 7 nephew b Hayton
1841 census in Hayton
Isaac Graham 60 ag lab
Elizabeth Graham 40
Jane Graham 30
Thomas Graham 15
Isaac Graham may be the Grandfather of John who may be illegitimate ?
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This is the marriage for John Graham and Janet Donaldson 13 September 1867 Dryfesdale
John Graham age 22 usual residence Carlisle (engine driver ) father Isaac Graham (farmer deceased) mother Jane Graham ( Bushby deceased)
Spouse Janet Donaldson age 20 usual residence Lockerbie ( dress maker ) father Robert Donaldson (joiner ) mother Ann Donaldson ( Dalgleish ) witnesses George Bell & Francis Donaldson
Rosie
Isaac Graham and Jane Bushby baptized children between about 1795 and 1810 , including Jane Graham 1 Nov 1810 Hayton :
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J3XX-RBN
This would make them the Grandparents of John Graham as suggested in the previous post.
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Yes CB53 had the same thoughts going by the baptisms with parents Isaac Graham & Jane Busbey
Rosie :)
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There is also this in the 1861 census Hayton
Elizth Graham b 1800 Hayton age 61 widow laundress
Thos Graham b 1827 Hayton age 34 son
John Graham b 1844 Hayton age 17 son
There is a possibility this is the same family in the 1851 census
Rosie
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1871 census Bothergate Carlisle
Janet Graham age 23 b Scotland
Elizabeth Graham age 2
Annie Graham age 1month ( possibility named after the 2 mothers )
Annie Donaldson
Rosie
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Hi Lizzie if you P M your e-mail address I will send you the copies
Rosie