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Title: looking for Schouten Family
Post by: carol80 on Thursday 08 December 16 01:03 GMT (UK)
Can anyone help Please.
Trying to find any information on Fanny Schouten b 24 Jan 1903 Netherlands d 1990 Te Awamutu
I have found 4 Records for her at Archway.
I know Wellington searches are unavailable at the moment and i have a request for her Auckland probate 
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=760487.0
From what i can see on Archway Fanny was registered as a New Zealand citizen on 26 June 1959. Her maiden name was Fruitman, she was Dutch and noted as Mrs.
Fanny was my godmother but i also think she may be related to my father's side of my tree.
I have looked for her burial location but she is not at Te Awamutu.
I did however find the grave of Adrians Willem Schouten in Te Awamutu who died 13 July 1960. Husband maybe?  He was a Horticultural Instructor at Waikeria. My Mum's father also worked there.
Due to mobility issues i am unable to get to my local library to search any further.
Any help would be most appreciated and gratefully received
                              Carol. 
 
Title: Re: looking for Schouten Family
Post by: alivin on Thursday 08 December 16 01:18 GMT (UK)
Hi, there is a cremation record for a Fanny Schouten at Hamilton Park Cemetery - died 24 June 1990, cremated 27 June, age 87. Looks like that could be her :)

Last address given as Matariki Hospital, Te Awamutu. Not sure if related but there is also a cremation record for a Johannes Schouten (died 8 April 2008, aged 66) and a Nicolaas Johannes Schouten (died 23 Sep 1994, aged aged 57).
Title: Re: looking for Schouten Family
Post by: Janette on Thursday 08 December 16 01:23 GMT (UK)
Fanny SCHOUTEN    
Age:87    
Female    
Died:24/06/1990
Born:       
Cremated:    27/06/1990
Type:    Cremation    
Funeral Director:    Te Awamutu Funeral Services
Last Address:    Matariki Hospital Te Awamutu    
Location:    Hamilton Park Cemetery

ER's
Fanny Schouten    1963    Waitomo    Waikato    
Fanny Schouten    1969    Waitomo    Waikato    
Fanny Schouten    1972    Raglan    Waikato    
Fanny Schouten    1978    Waipa    Waikato    
Fanny Schouten    1981    Waipa    Waikato

Cheers Janette
Title: Re: looking for Schouten Family
Post by: carol80 on Thursday 08 December 16 01:25 GMT (UK)
Many Thanks for both replies.
Welcome alivin.
Title: Re: looking for Schouten Family
Post by: Janette on Thursday 08 December 16 01:37 GMT (UK)
From FamilySearch


Fanny Schouten
New Zealand, Archives New Zealand, Passenger Lists
Name    Fanny Schouten
Event Type    Immigration
Event Date    1962
Event Place    Rotterdam (other ports also listed), New Zealand
Age    58
Marital Status    Widowed
Occupation    h d
Birth Year (Estimated)    1904
Ship Name    Willem Ruys
Departure Port    Wellington
Arrival Port    Rotterdam (other ports also listed)
Arrival Place    Rotterdam (other ports also listed)

Cheers Janette
Title: Re: looking for Schouten Family
Post by: minniehaha on Thursday 08 December 16 01:43 GMT (UK)
PM sent with death notice for Johannes Schouten [2008]......

Minniehaha.
Title: Re: looking for Schouten Family
Post by: alivin on Thursday 08 December 16 01:48 GMT (UK)
Thanks Carol :-) The Te Awamutu cemetery record for Adrianus Willem Schouten on Ancestry gives his spouse's name as Fanny Schouten, and he was naturalised on 22 May 1959

Cheers,
Alicia
Title: Re: looking for Schouten Family
Post by: carol80 on Thursday 08 December 16 02:04 GMT (UK)
Great find alivin. I was sure he was her husband but had no proof.
Thanks minniehaha.
Janette. thank you. I did find one for 1963 going to Wellington from Rotterdam Widow aged 60 but missed the entry you found.

             A very grateful Carol
Title: Re: looking for Schouten Family
Post by: jorose on Thursday 08 December 16 19:47 GMT (UK)
http://leiden.courant.nu/issue/NLC/1960-07-15/edition/0/page/4
His death appears to have been reported in newspapers in Leiden, giving her maiden name as 'Vleesdrager'.

Digging into this reference, a sad story begins to emerge.

A comment on this blog mentions a  Fanny Vleeschdrager who married the writer's uncle, a Ad Schouten. Her family are said to have died in Sobibor - a death camp in German-occupied Poland
http://weblogs.nos.nl/evenementen/2010/04/08/selma-de-vrouw-die-sobibor-overleefde/

Here we find Juda Fruitmann, husband of Fanny Vleeschdrager, and two daughters, Carla and Eleanor, listed among the dead.
http://www.brandgrens.nl/media/ls_vervolging_en_dwangarbeid/documenten/namenlijst_kaddisj.pdf
http://www.maxvandam.info/humo-gen/family.php?id=F31404&main_person=I83672

Fanny was born in Batavia (now Jakarta), in what was then the Dutch East Indies, and her daughters were both born in that area as well. Carla was aged 20 when she died, and Eleanora would have been just a few months shy of her 13th birthday.

After such a tragedy, I hope Fanny found happiness in NZ in her last days.
Title: Re: looking for Schouten Family
Post by: carol80 on Thursday 08 December 16 20:58 GMT (UK)
The last time i saw her was in 1969. i remember her as full of life type person and very giving. I used to go her place after school instead of going home. She always told me i was her little girl. My grandparents visited often. After reading your links i now know why she was close to my grandparents.
During the war my grandfather printed false passports for the Jews. Auntie Fanny used to tell me my grandfather was a great man for his country.
Thanks to you Fanny will no longer be a name on my tree. You have brought her back to life.

Many Thanks jorose
          Fanny's god daughter
                               Carol
Title: Re: looking for Schouten Family
Post by: houdtgj on Monday 20 March 17 15:43 GMT (UK)
You are looking for information about Fanny Schouten. I have met her in the Netherlands in the 70's. She had been married with Ad Schouten about 1956, uncle of my wife. Her first husband was Juda Fruitmann. They had three children before the World War. They lived in Rotterdam since 1937. Son Ernest died before the war. Juda and their two daughters were killed bij the nazi's in 1943.
Title: Re: looking for Schouten Family
Post by: spades on Monday 20 March 17 21:01 GMT (UK)
Hi Houdtgj, and welcome to RootsChat :) :)

You and Carol80 will find it easier to exchange information via the Personal Message (PM) system although you will need to make another two posts to activate it.

Just reply twice more, even just a smiley is ok.  ;D

Then Carol80 can send you a PM and you can exchange email addresses, etc.
http://www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php

By the way, RootsChat has a personal privacy policy of not posting details of living or possibly living persons. Can you confirm that all those persons you mentioned above are deceased?

Spades

Title: Re: looking for Schouten Family
Post by: carol80 on Monday 20 March 17 21:42 GMT (UK)
Spades; All people named are deceased.

Houdtgj; Welcome to rootschat and thank-you for your in formation. Once  you have made another reply i will contact you through the PM system. Would love to know more about her.
            Carol80
Title: Re: looking for Schouten Family
Post by: houdtgj on Monday 20 March 17 22:13 GMT (UK)
Hi Carol, I am willing to contact you via PM. hopefullly we can share some more information
Greets
Title: Re: looking for Schouten Family
Post by: spades on Tuesday 21 March 17 03:48 GMT (UK)
Thanks Houdtgj ;)

And congratulations to you both for making a connection.

Spades
Title: Re: looking for Schouten Family
Post by: carol80 on Wednesday 22 March 17 00:01 GMT (UK)
PM sent
Title: Re: looking for Schouten Family
Post by: somers126 on Friday 15 October 21 04:13 BST (UK)
Hello Carol80
Hello houdtgj

I registered some time back but this is my first posting.   My husband has used rootschat for many years.

I have just read the content of this thread and your connection to Fanny Schouten.  I knew this lovely lady in the 1960's when she lived with my grandparent in Te Awamutu.  Would be very happy to share what I know but due to some sensitivities I will build my communication to qualify for PM usage. 
Title: Re: looking for Schouten Family
Post by: somers126 on Friday 15 October 21 04:15 BST (UK)
Hello Carol80

I am more than happy for you to have my private email in due course as we clearly both lived in Te Awamutu and more than likely know each other already    :)
Sandra
Title: Re: looking for Schouten Family
Post by: trystan on Friday 15 October 21 07:40 BST (UK)
Sandra,

Welcome to RootsChat. :) You can exchange email addresses if you wish using the Personal Messaging on here.

All the best,
Trystan