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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Gloucestershire => Topic started by: B17_Fan on Saturday 10 December 16 11:19 GMT (UK)
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Hi all. I'm trying to trace the history of "Knavingcots" in westbury on severn. It's for my brother in laws grandparents. I don't live in the area, so i'm reliant on google and find my past. I've found a few things on FindMyPast but google is not really bringing anything up. I was wondering if maybe anyone had a book on the area, there may be photos in there. Or if anyone knows anything about the farm, it would be much appreciated. Thankyou
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Hi
Knavingcots, Westbury-on-Severn GL14 1LR
Ray
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Google actually brings some references - but just google on Knavingcots ;D
http://placenames.org.uk/browse/mads/epns-deep-40-d-mappedname-002149
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/rd/68e2ef34-60fb-43d7-b965-14c1e953b9d5
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By using the records from the Forest of Dean Family Forum : there are 3 burials listed - and would help to form families
http://www.forest-of-dean.net
Sarah STEEL aged 43, 19 February 1901 - residence: Knavingcotes
Emily Anne DOWDING aged 77, 9 October 1923 - residence: Knaving Cott Westbury
William Richard JOSEPH aged 77, 31 December 1938 - residence: Knavingcote, Westbury
William JOSEPH was a farmer 1908 records : Newnham
Gloucester Records office
Date 1930:
Knavingcots, Westbury on Severn, Values
Records of Bruton, Knowles and Co, of Gloucester, estate agents, auctioneers and values.
Records c 1870-1935 - Knavingcots, Westbury on Severn, Valuation.
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Try also
LLoyd George Land Survey 1909 (on the net)
http://www.glos1909survey.org.uk/
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If you woud like to carry out the search,
Henry Allen Armitage can be used to search the full 1911
Ray
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If you look on Know Your Place Bristol http://maps.bristol.gov.uk/kyp/?edition= you can see the farm on the early editions of the OS maps.
Click on the little picture of a house in the top left of the first screen and you can put in Westbury on Severn. Knavingcots is just north west of the village, beyond the railway line. The box on the right lets you choose Basemaps and you can compare any two maps that cover the area (1st ed vs modern, say) by using the slider in the middle.
You could also look on Google Earth or Google Streetview for a view of the area today.
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Also on the nls scanned OS maps
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=51.8282&lon=-2.4161&layers=168&b=1
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For comparison:
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/sidebyside.cfm#zoom=16&lat=51.8310&lon=-2.4203&layers=6&right=BingHyb
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For comparison:
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/sidebyside.cfm#zoom=16&lat=51.8310&lon=-2.4203&layers=6&right=BingHyb
What year is the old map on this page?
By using the records from the Forest of Dean Family Forum : there are 3 burials listed - and would help to form families
http://www.forest-of-dean.net
Sarah STEEL aged 43, 19 February 1901 - residence: Knavingcotes
Emily Anne DOWDING aged 77, 9 October 1923 - residence: Knaving Cott Westbury
William Richard JOSEPH aged 77, 31 December 1938 - residence: Knavingcote, Westbury
William JOSEPH was a farmer 1908 records : Newnham
Gloucester Records office
Date 1930:
Knavingcots, Westbury on Severn, Values
Records of Bruton, Knowles and Co, of Gloucester, estate agents, auctioneers and values.
Records c 1870-1935 - Knavingcots, Westbury on Severn, Valuation.
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Try also
LLoyd George Land Survey 1909 (on the net)
http://www.glos1909survey.org.uk/
wow thankyou that's really helpful
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For comparison:
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/sidebyside.cfm#zoom=16&lat=51.8310&lon=-2.4203&layers=6&right=BingHyb
Click the link & look at the drop down boxes top left, you'll see the date range of the 6 inch (to the mile) map 1888 - 1913. You can change it to the 25 inch 1892 - 1905 if you want. The date of the map depended on the county.
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Knavingcot/Knaven Greene
Looking at the Forest of Dean records, the earliest mention is a baptism on the 18 November 1585 at Newland of
Elizabeth CLERK, father: James
residence: Knavengrene.
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Burial at Newland: 8 December 1607
Christopher CLARK - estimated year due to erosion between 1600 & 1612
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His Son ?
CLERKE/CLARKE surname is there in 1625 then PARRI in 1635.
Christopher CLARK married at Gloucester St Nicholas - 18 November 1640 to Joane TREHERNE
Burial at Newland - 18 May 1615, Joan CLARKE, dau of Christopher
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On the 'net'
The Index Library Abstracts Inquisitions Post Mortem : King Charles the 1st
'certain closes of land within the parish of Newland; and one parcel or close of land called Knavengreene situate within the parish of Newland.....
The close called Knaven Greene is held of the King as of his Castle of St Briavels'
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British History on Line
Newland
'To the west there was at least one dwelling in 1585 at a place called Knaven Green'
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Knavingcot/Knaven Greene
Looking at the Forest of Dean records, the earliest mention is a baptism on the 18 November 1585 at Newland of
Elizabeth CLERK, father: James
residence: Knavengrene.
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Burial at Newland: 8 December 1607
Christopher CLARK - estimated year due to erosion between 1600 & 1612
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His Son ?
CLERKE/CLARKE surname is there in 1625 then PARRI in 1635.
Christopher CLARK married at Gloucester St Nicholas - 18 November 1640 to Joane TREHERNE
Burial at Newland - 18 May 1615, Joan CLARKE, dau of Christopher
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On the 'net'
The Index Library Abstracts Inquisitions Post Mortem : King Charles the 1st
'certain closes of land within the parish of Newland; and one parcel or close of land called Knavengreene situate within the parish of Newland.....
The close called Knaven Greene is held of the King as of his Castle of St Briavels'
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British History on Line
Newland
'To the west there was at least one dwelling in 1585 at a place called Knaven Green'
Thankyou for all this info. Just wondered if the last bit was correct, because knavingcots is to the east of newland.
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British History on Line
Coleford not Newland
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/glos/vol5/pp117-138
mentioned, first paragraph after the 1880 map
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Still mentions it being to the east, not west. not sure if that is the right place
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Sounds like the two place names are/were different. Coleford was West Dean, originally chapel of ease to All Saints, Newland, churchwise. In the East, parishes of Westbury on Severn and Newnham.
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I'm wondering if knavingcots was ever a farm in its own right. On the 1911 census, in the address part, it says knavingcots and then it looks like Coles or cottage, then Westbury. The man who lived there was a solicitor. So guessing not a farm. Maybe it was a workers cottage?
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? 1911 census what was the name of the Solicitor
In previous reply, I listed from the Forest of Dean records...
Sarah STEELE - burial - aged 43, 19 February 1901 - residence: Knavingcotes
George STEELE a labourer of Newland married Sarah HUDSON at Oxenhall, 25 July 1887
GlosBMD - one birth: STEELE, HUDSON
Edith Emily - christened in 1888 at Newnham.
1901 Census, Westbury on Severn Newnham
George STEELE - aged 43 - Carter on farm, born Aston Ingham
Edith STEELE - daughter aged 12, born Newent.
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? 1911 census what was the name of the Solicitor
It was Henry Allen Armitage.
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're 1911 census: Henry Allen Armitage - Knavingcots'
From the 'net'
Henry Allen Armitage (born 18.2.1868) married Katharine Henrietta SMITH - 8 September 1892 Christ Church, Sefton Park, Liverpool
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Newnham on Severn, War Memorial Gloucestershire
ARMITAGE Gorge Geoffrey Allen, Flight Sub Lieutenant, Royal Navy Air died 11th December 1915 aged 22. Son of Henry Allen and Katharine Henrietta of The Nab, Newham on Severn. Buried at St Peter Churchyard, Newnham on Severn.
Forest of Dean records: 'Flying accident' funeral picture Gloucester Journal 18 December 1915
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Forest of Dean records:
Burial
2 July 1930
Katharine Henrietta Armitage aged 62 : residence: The Nab Newnham.
Lloyd George Land Survey 1909-1910
Place: Newnham
Income tax parish: Littledean
Occupied by Armitage, H A
Owned by: Armitage, H A
Property: House & Garden
address: The Nab
? The Post Code is GL14 1AX -
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http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/advanced
put "knavingcots" in search field (The phrase) - the snippets returned will give a "flavour" of the place in the 20s/30s.
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills
Select "Wills Probate 1858-1996" and search for "Dowding, 1918" - see Henry Dowding
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Forest of Dean records
26 April 1917
Henry DOWDING aged 71 years
Knaring Cots Westbury on Severn
Nonconformist funeral
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Henry DOWDING
Useful info: managed to find on LLoyd George Land Survey 1909-1910
GA/D2428/1/79 - Hereditament Number 108
Place: Westbury on Severn
Income tax Parish: Westbury on Severn
Occupied by:
DOWDING, Henry (M)
Owned by:
HALL, Arthur Henry, 24 Prebend Gardens, Chiswick, London W (M)
Type of property: Business
Description: Land
Address: Naving Cottages
Size: 27 acres 3 roods 30 perches
Map reference: 32.10A
Gross value: £1,480
Site value: £700
Agricultural Value: £1,450
Buildings: £660
Fruit: £120
Taxable Value: £670
Poor Rate:
Number: 108
Size: 27 acres 2 roods
Gross Value: £22
Rateable Value: £19, 15s
Description: House and Buildings.
----This could be Arthur Henry HALL's baptism (Forest of Dean records)
1878 at Adsett Congregational
Arthur Henry HALL
parents: James (Farmer) and Harriett Annie
residence: Westbury Village
Born 28 December 1877
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thankyou capetown for all that information.
I've just finished writing up my findings and i just wondered if knavingcots was just one cottage or were there a couple of cottages with that name as their address?
Just got a couple of people who seem to be living there in consecutive years, but one of them seems to have lived there a longer time and it doesn't seem possible.
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If you look at my previous message re: Lloyd George Land Survey
this gives a map reference: 32.10A
Maps are under the heading on the front page.
- appears to be just one dwelling with outbuildings.
http://glos1909survey.org.uk/
Click 'once' on Section 32
and then 'click' twice on Section 10
(I find the screen goes black is I don't do this!!!)
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If you look at my previous message re: Lloyd George Land Survey
this gives a map reference: 32.10A
Maps are under the heading on the front page.
- appears to be just one dwelling with outbuildings.
http://glos1909survey.org.uk/
Click 'once' on Section 32
and then 'click' twice on Section 10
(I find the screen goes black is I don't do this!!!)
On the 1902 map, according to the key, it looks like there was a trigonometric station there? can anyone clarify that?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangulation_station