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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: SarahEliza on Saturday 17 December 16 14:00 GMT (UK)
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Hello,
I have been researching a German ancestor who lived in England and I am specifically trying to find out when and where he died. I believe that he may have returned to Germany, because I can't find when or where he died in England. I'm not sure how or where to access German ancestry records (in English if possible). I wondered if anyone could advise me, please? His name was Otto Johannes Herrlich (born in 1841 in Stettin Stadt). In the 1881 census, he was living in Merton, Surrey and is single. In the 1891 census, he is married and living in Lambeth. I know that he was living in the South East of England from at least the mid-1870s. I am related to O.J.H, but not to his German wife.
Many thanks.
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Hi,
There is this probate record -
Otto Johannes Herrlich of 29 Chestnut Road, West Norwood, Surrey
Death - 3 Sep 1900, Johannesburg, South Africa
Probate Date - 28 Jan 1901
Was his wife called Emilie?
JJ
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Hi,
Thank you. Yes, his wife was called Emilie (born in Germany).
I didn't know that he died in South Africa.
Thank you.
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Otto's father's name was Carl August Herrlich and his mother's maiden name was Bertha Weber. Otto had quite a few siblings (all born in Pommern), though his brother Rudolph August Herrlich died in 1924 in Surrey. If anyone has any nineteenth century photos or images of the family, I'd love to hear from you.
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You may find the Anglo-German Family History Society helpful. http://www.agfhs.org
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Thank you for suggesting that Graham.
I'll visit the website. I hadn't heard of it.
Thank you.
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His marriage
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Hello black.betty,
Thank you very much for posting this marriage certificate. That was very kind of you. I'm uncertain how to access such German records myself. This is really fascinating and it reveals information that I did not know, so thank you.
I didn't know that Emilie's parents were called Gottlieb Heinrich Zwanck and Sophie Henriette (born Becker) Zwanck, although I knew that Emilie's maiden name was Zwanck. I don't speak much German and my German is rather 'rusty'. Some of the handwriting on the document is hard to read, so I wonder if anyone could help me understand or confirm some information, please?
The marriage certificate states that Otto was born in 1841, which I knew. At the beginning of it, the date of the marriage is stated. The words at the end of the date are handwritten. Is it 1889 or 1884 or another date? It looks as though it could be 1881, but this is a bit earlier than I believed him to have been married.
Before the words 'Sohn de' (Son of) Karl August Herrlich and Bertha (born Bertha Weber), there are two handwritten words, written before the name Karl. Could anyone tell me what these two words are, please? It then states that Karl and Bertha are 'Wohnhaft zu' (resident in) a place that begins with an 'N', I think. Could anyone tell me what this might be, please? Lastly, in terms of Otto's details; before the printed word 'Religion’, there is long handwritten word. Could anyone tell me what this word is, please?
I know that I have a lot of questions, but even if just one or two could be answered, that would be great.
Thank you,
Sarah.
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Religion = Lutheran
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That's so interesting.
Thank you Graham.
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Hi Sarah,
tomorrow I will print the document, write the old German handwriting in latin letters and I translate it for you.
It then states that Karl and Bertha are 'Wohnhaft zu' (resident in) a place that begins with an 'N', I think.
>>>the city is Stettin (today Poland)
there are two handwritten words, written before the name Karl.
>>>Sohn des verstorbenen Schiffs??? Karl August Herrlich und dessen Ehefrau Bertha geborene Weber
>>>son of the dead "his job something with ship" Karl August Herrlich and his wife Bertha maiden name Weber
Tomorrow I will also try to read what his job was. The document is from Hamburg, there is the biggest seaport in Germany.
There is also a second site, I will post it tomorrow with translation.
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Karl August Herrlich had a lot of sisters and brothers. Are you interested?
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Hi,
the place with "N" is Stettin, Prussia.
the profession is Schiffsmakler = ship's agent or broker;
there is a street name ...........street #8, in Hamburg St. Georg
Rudolf
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Thank you black.betty and Rudolph.
Thank you black.betty for offering to translate this for me and thank you for your time. That's so kind of you.
Yes, I'm interested to find out more about Karl August Herrlich. I don't know much about his family or his brothers and sisters, so it would be nice to find out more. I know that Karl and Bertha had quite a lot of children and I know their children's names, but I don't know about Karl's siblings.
I know that Otto was born in Stettin, but for some reason, I didn't recognise this as the place name on the document, which I mistakenly thought began with an 'N'. Thank you both Betty and Rudolph for your help with this and thank you for telling me about Karl Herrlich's connection to shipping. I did not know about this. Coincidently, I also have an English ancestor from the north east of England who was a ship's agent / broker around this period of time.
I look forward to hearing from you black.betty. Thank you for all you help.
Sarah.
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You are welcome,
Zwanck being Dr. phil. might be a teacher;
the street is: Bleicherstraße 8, St. Georg, Hamburg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Georg,_Hamburg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Georg,_Hamburg)
Rudolf
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Thank you for the street addresses and also; thank you for pointing out Zwanck's academic title etc. This would make sense, as I understood them to be seemingly quite a 'middle class' family.
Sarah.