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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Limerick => Topic started by: keni on Sunday 18 December 16 00:30 GMT (UK)
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Hiya all, looking for information on my great grandparents, Bartholomew Daly born around 1850 who married Mary Lawlor in 1882 in Limerick, I think. Also, John Bourke born around 1830 who married Kate Tierney in 1868 in Lurriga R.C. Church, Co. Limerick. It's possible that John Bourke may have had the surname spelling of Burke.
Bartholomew Daly and Mary Lawlor had the following children in Limerick, probably in Kilcolman: Margaret (Peggy) Daly b. Feb., 10th 1889, Bartholomew Daly b. 1891, Daniel Daly b. 1893, My Grandmother, Anne Daly, (Bourke) born in 1895 in Kilcolman, Co. Limerick, Timothy Daly b. 1896, Joseph Daly b. 1898 and Kathleen Daly b. 1900. Most birth years are approximate to within a year or so. (Bartholomew's father was John Daly and Mary Lawlor's father was Patrick Lawlor.)
John Bourke and Kate Tierney had the following children: Mary Bourke b. Dec., 1868, Catherine Bourke b. July, 1870, Michael Bourke b. Sept., 25th 1872, Ellen Bourke b. July, 1875, Bridget (Biddy) Bourke b. Feb., 28th, 1878, John Bourke b. Nov., 29th, 1879, Elizabeth Bourke b. May 18th, 1882 and my Grandfather, Arthur Bourke born in Breska, Clarina, Co. Limerick on July 28th, 1885. My Grandparents are buried in Clounanna Cemetery, Patrickswell, Co. Limerick. I'm pretty sure all of the children of John & Kate were born in Breska, Clarina, Co. Limerick.
My Grandparents had the following children between 1921 and 1934, births given in date order: Catherine Bourke (My Mother), John Bourke, Anne Bourke, Michael Bourke, Mary Bourke, Arthur (Art) Bourke, William (Bill) Bourke and Ellen Bourke, all born in Curraghbridge, Adare, Co. Limerick. (Arthur (Art) and William (Bill) were identical twins and John, Michael and Mary died as infants the oldest being Michael aged 8 years.... so sad thinking of how my grandparents must have felt at their losses at the time, it must be dreadful to lose a child.)
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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There is a lot in that post and its late so to get you started.
30 May 1882
Bartholomew Daly Mary Laulor marriage (it does look like a 'u' but most likely a spelling error, childrens Certs will help)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01j32/ (note link to image of cert)
You should be able to find the children's births there as well.
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From the 1901 and 1911 Ireland census returns linked in this previous topic, the townland of Glendiheen is a known connection: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=720533.0
And a fairly long standing connection, eg. note the address in this birth of Bartholemew junior in 1891:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1891/02394/1892943.pdf
So just a possibility here (Kilcolman RC parish) in the form of a Bartholemew baptised on 2 June 1852 for parents John Daley and Margaret Enright of 'Glendihen' (left page, 4th entry down from top): http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634987#page/33/mode/1up
Same couple had other children baptised: Patrick 1841; John 1845; James 1848; John 1850; Michael 1855; Maria 1857.
And this from Newcastle West RC parish, 2 February 1840, the marriage of a John Daley and a Margaret Enright (right page, top entry):
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635003#page/137/mode/1up
Edited to add: Griffiths Valuation shows a Catherine Daly and a Patrick Enright in Glendiheen, the local printing date was 1852.
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To Gaffy..........Thanks so much, the birth record for Bartholomew is correct, I knew it was around 1891 but I now know it was Feb., 1st. The marriage for John Daly to Margaret Enright looks good too, it's certainly the right area and time frame. I can't thank you enough, it's great to move forward and thanks so much for getting back to me with this, really appreciated.
Is there any way of being able to see the pages after Bartholomew's birth entry of 1st
Feb? I could then probably see his brothers' and sisters' birthdates. Thanks again Gaffy, excellent job!... I've been trying to move forward on this for years!
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Sinann, thanks very much indeed, you're right about the u, I'm still undecided on the spelling. It could be Laulor but I'm sticking with Lawlor as I've seen it more often than Laulor. Much appreciated. My next task is to find death dates for John Daly and his wife Margaret (Enright), this marriage info. was kindly supplied today by another very kind member. Thanks again for taking the time to help me, you people on this site are great! ;) Ken
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Kilcolman RC parish baptisms for children of John Daly and Margaret Enright:
Patrick baptised February 1841 (right page, approx. 12 lines up from bottom):
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634985#page/88/mode/1up
John baptised 19 June 1845, location looks as if meant to be Lisgordan (right page, 5th entry down from top): http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634987#page/9/mode/1up
James baptised 20 January 1848, location looks as if meant to be Ballykealy (right page, 2nd entry down from top): http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634987#page/20/mode/1up
John baptised 14 October 1850, location looks as if meant to be Ballynahown (left page, 3rd entry up from bottom): http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634987#page/29/mode/1up
Michael baptised 18 March 1855, location looks as if meant to be Ballynahown (left page, top entry): http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634987#page/38/mode/1up
Maria baptised September 1857, location looks as if meant to be Glendiheen (right page, 3rd entry up from bottom): http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634987#page/42/mode/1up
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Thanks again Gaffy but Bartholomew Daly not there which casts some doubt over mother being Enright. Bartholomew was born around 1850 I believe. Ken
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I was just looking for that place name and thought Glendiheen was the most likely, it south of Kilcolman just going to look at it a bit more.
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Thanks again Gaffy but Bartholomew Daly not there which casts some doubt over mother being Enright. Bartholomew was born around 1850 I believe. Ken
But I already posted Bartholomew's 1852 baptism at reply #2. ??? I was just posting you the links for his siblings...
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Another one for your collection, Michael b. 1885 to Bartholomew Daly and Mary Lawlor of Glendihan:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/cert_amends/cert_1885/1970288a.pdf
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Gaffy, ignore my last post, you gave Bartholomew's derails earlier! Sorry!
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Hiya Gaffy, just sent a message apologising for that... I realised almost as soon as I'd sent the message! Sorry!
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... Bartholomew Daly and Mary Lawlor had the following children in Limerick, probably in Kilcolman: ... ... ... and Kathleen Daly b. 1900 ...
Kate:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1899/02014/1773342.pdf
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The place names appear to be mainly in Rathronan Civil Parish which is listed under the RC parish of Ardagh but their nearest church may have been in Kilcolman parish. Need to look at the maps a bit more.
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Joseph b. 8 May 1897 to Batt Daly and Mary Lawlor of 'Glendihan':
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1897/02123/1807186.pdf
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Timothy b. 24 June 1895 to Batt Daly and Mary Lawlor of 'Glendihan':
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1895/02200/1831495.pdf
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Anne b. 5 April 1894 to Bartholomew Daly and Mary Lawlor of 'Glendihan':
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1894/02256/1848555.pdf
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Daniel b. 18 September 1892 to Bartholomew Daly and Mary Lawlor of 'Glendihan':
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1892/02321/1869448.pdf
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Gaffy, thanks again, Anne was my grandmother and my aunt, her daughter, told me she was born on April 5th, 1895 ..... She must have been wrong... it's clearly 1894 from what you've sent! I can't understand how someone could get their mother's birth year wrong.
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... Bartholomew Daly and Mary Lawlor had the following children in Limerick, probably in Kilcolman: Margaret (Peggy) Daly b. Feb., 10th 1889 ...
Margaret born 7th Feb 1889:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1889/02479/1920335.pdf
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More misinfo from my aunt I think!..... unless I misheard her, I can't ask her any more, she passed earlier this year.... I bet poor gt. aunt Peggy (Margaret) used to wonder why her birthday card from my aunt was always 3 days late! She was the most gentle, kind and lovely person.........she would never have said anything in case it hurt aunt Ellen's feelings.
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A bit speculative, but maybe a marriage for Timothy b.1895:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1917/09740/5534651.pdf
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Good enough for me with the father, date and area all good. Thanks Gaffy!
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The church in Kilcoman and the one in Ardagh are pretty much the same distance from Glendiheen so I guess they went to the one with the easiest road.
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Yes Sinann, You're right, trying now to find john Daly's and wife Mary's death dates. Also, Gt. Gt. grandparents on other side of family, Michael Tierney born around 1826, poss in Tipperary who possibly married Bridget McMahon or Mary Ryan. Roots Chat has been brilliant in a very short space of time, thanks for everything Sinann and everyone, Ken
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The image of the marriage cert isn't online yet
But this looks like them
Kate Tierney
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01j3h/
John Burke
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01j3j/
FamilySearch gives Clarina
And father's names
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGDG-RB1
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Hiya Sinann, definitely, the marriage was on Feb., 24th, 1868.... though the spelling Burke is incorrect, probably the person writing it made an error, I've seen this on numerous occasions in my tree. Looking for Kate's parents now. Father is Michael I believe and he was possibly born in Tipperary. That's gonna take a while to sort out. English records are far easier. Thanks again Sinann, Ken
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You said Lurriga, Clarina isn't in Lurriga parish, (bit odd this happening twice) it's in Kildimo, however they seem to have married in Lurriga (there are no marriages in Kildimo in February that year)
On the 25th
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634929#page/100/mode/1up
Very few marriages in Kildimo, lots of months with none, wonder what was going on.
Any way worth noting she may well be from Clarina.
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Clarina is in the Civil Parish of Kilkeedy, in Griffith's Valuation there is a Michael Teirney in the townland of Briska More in Kilkeedy, possibly her father.
There is also a Michael Burke there, but it's not an uncommon name.
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Children of John B(o)urke and Catherine Tierney of 'Breska':
Mary's birth (1868) and baptism (left page, 7th entry down from top):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1868/03414/2252459.pdf
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634929#page/66/mode/1up
Catherine's birth (1870) and baptism (right page, 9th entry down from top):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1870/03328/2220272.pdf
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634929#page/68/mode/1up (note father's name James, must be a mistake)
Michael's birth (1872) and baptism (left page, 5th entry down from top):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1872/03217/2179407.pdf
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634929#page/72/mode/1up
Ellen's birth (1875) and baptism (left page, 2nd entry down from top):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1875/03085/2131136.pdf
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634929#page/76/mode/1up
Brigid's birth (1878) and baptism (right page, 9th entry up from bottom):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1878/02971/2088481.pdf
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634929#page/79/mode/1up
John's birth (1879) and baptism (right page, 11th entry down from top):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1879/02891/2059321.pdf
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634929#page/82/mode/1up
Elizabeth's birth (1882):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1882/02777/2019405.pdf
Also looks like 'Arthur' born 28 July 1885 was registered as Timothy:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1885/02630/1970441.pdf
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Kate (Tierney) Bourke was given as 54 in the 1901 Ireland census, this could be inaccurate and Tierney isn't rare, so just to note the following as a speculative possibility, from Lurriga RC parish registers, Catherine baptised 20 July 1846, parents Michael Tierney and Mary Hickey (right page, 13th entry down from top):
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634929#page/10/mode/1up
Unfortunately B(o)urkes in the county c.1830 are extremely common and conclusively identifying your John born to Michael may prove difficult, if even possible.
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Gaffy, brilliant again.... my Aunt, recently passed, said to me once that she somehow felt that Timothy was my grandfather's real first name with Arthur being a middle name but wasn't quite sure. Having seen many entries for Arthur re. my Grandfather, I discounted it over the years. It appears she was right....how interesting! Thanks again Gaffy, I'll take a close look at all but they're all correct for sure including birth years which my aunt gave to me. Great .... thanks again!
Re. Kate or Catherine Tierney, definitely a possibility and worth keeping for possible future nvestigation, this genealogy is so frustrating! BTW, Grandad was always known as Arthur, even in the census, so surprising but Timothy is no doubt correct, perhaps his parents just for some reason started to call him Arthur. Is it me or is it a fact that Irish people tended not to have middle names? Ken