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Title: record of a NY murder..?
Post by: Ohanlon on Saturday 14 January 17 10:01 GMT (UK)
Michael Glespen arrived in NY abt 1845. He was born in Ireland 1824.
The 1850 mortality records for NY register him as 'killed' in August of that year....murdered?
I wonder if anyone has any expertise which might throw some light on the circumstanes of his death, please?
Thank you.
Title: Re: record of a NY muder..?
Post by: jorose on Saturday 14 January 17 11:55 GMT (UK)
"1850 mortality records for NY register" - was this the mortality schedule from the 1850 census, or something different?

I can see a Michael "Gelispie" on those records listed as "killed" in August (would have been August 1849 because of the way this data was collected, it is the twelve months previous to the census), but not "Glespen".

"Killed" could be a reference to an accident, I see on later schedules where there was more room for info there were causes of deaths such as "killed by fall", "killed by a horse", etc.
Title: Re: record of a NY muder..?
Post by: Ohanlon on Saturday 14 January 17 22:00 GMT (UK)
Thank you jorose.

I apologise.....the name was Gelispie on the mortality schedule from the 1850 Census and altho a different surname I am inclined to think that it might well have been a Glespen relative. I am unable to find any reference any where else in NY and other places.

Michael arrived on the 'Patrick Henry' in 1848.

Thank you re the background to the word 'killed' .......... I hope Michael did not meet an inglorious end.

Title: Re: record of a NY muder..?
Post by: Michael ONeil on Wednesday 01 February 17 13:04 GMT (UK)
30 July 1849 NY Evening Post

Could this be him? Wrong age though says 30 so would have been born 1819.
Title: Re: record of a NY muder..?
Post by: Ohanlon on Wednesday 01 February 17 21:13 GMT (UK)
Thank you Michael...............
Regardless of the age, I suspect it might well be him. There were only one or two family members -  bachelors - living in New York with whom he might have been staying at the time, so there could have been some uncertainty re his age. It occurred shortly after his arrival in the US.
Title: Re: record of a NY muder..?
Post by: Ohanlon on Thursday 02 February 17 01:00 GMT (UK)
Michael,
Regarding the NY Evening Post item about Michael Gillespie. Would you mind giving me the link to that, please?
Thank you again.
Title: Re: record of a NY muder..?
Post by: Michael ONeil on Thursday 02 February 17 07:54 GMT (UK)
It's at Fulton History:
http://fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html

You have to put the following into the search bar and it's the top pdf of four:
"michael gillespie" + 1849

In search terms it means finding exact matches for "michael gillespie" plus 1849.
Title: Re: record of a NY muder..?
Post by: Ohanlon on Thursday 02 February 17 09:04 GMT (UK)
Thank you, Michael ... will give it a try.