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Title: Missing in 1901
Post by: wilcoxon on Thursday 02 March 17 20:35 GMT (UK)
Can anyone help find Clarence in 1891, I find no death or marriage for him, and as he is classed as a boarder and not a relation to Elpeth.

1891 Scotlands People  Elspet Knowles  81 St George  Midlothian
1891 Ancestry, there is an error with Elspet`s age. 81
13 Hope St, St George , Edinburgh
Elspet Knowles 31 81  b Drumblade
Jane F Knowles  daughter  54   b Drumblade
William Knowles  grandchild   10  b Edinburgh
Clarence Hope Scott   boarder 9 Months  b Edinburgh 
Ann Knowles visitor sister 43  b Belhelvie, Aberdeenshire
Jane Knowles 14  b Drumblade, Aberdeenshire

 Birth. KNOWLES. CLARENCE HOPE S . 1890 St George 

Title: Re: Missing in 1901
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 02 March 17 20:41 GMT (UK)
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Can anyone help find Clarence in 1891

Typo - you mean 1901
Title: Re: Missing in 1901
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 02 March 17 20:44 GMT (UK)
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Birth. KNOWLES. CLARENCE HOPE S . 1890 St George 

If his birth surname is Knowles - who were his parent(s)?  If he was illegit - he may be under a different surname in 1901 if his mother married

Have you checked for a death pre-1901 or checked the 1911 census?
Title: Re: Missing in 1901
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 02 March 17 20:54 GMT (UK)
He shows on a couple of entries on Ancestry's passenger lists as Clarence Hope Scott occ bank manager living London.  Wife Leonora

Travelling to Marseilles and also Mombasa

Mombasa 1960 - he is retired born 28.6.1890 and Leonora 13.10.1897.  Address given in Oxfordshire
Title: Re: Missing in 1901
Post by: wilcoxon on Thursday 02 March 17 21:03 GMT (UK)
Thanks, I did see that one, but wasn`t convinced
He is in Manchester with his mother Margaret Ann  in 1911, as Scott.
Hmmm, so maybe he dropped the Knowles, but still can`t track him in 1891.

Marriages Mar 1924 
Moodie  Leonora  / Scott  Oxford 
SCOTT  Clarence H / Moodie  Oxford 
 
Title: Re: Missing in 1901
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 02 March 17 22:19 GMT (UK)
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but still can`t track him in 1891.

You've done it again  ???

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Thanks, I did see that one, but wasn`t convinced

I doubt there are many Clarence Hope Scott's born 1890!!

There is a marriage on freebmd in 1924 in Oxfordshire  and a death in 1968 Oxfordshire plus a probate entry here

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills
Title: Re: Missing in 1901
Post by: wilcoxon on Friday 03 March 17 13:58 GMT (UK)
Oops, sorry about that 1891 typo again.
Thank you very much for the other links, I`m sure it must be the same man,  didn`t he do well for himself.

I wonder why he dropped the Knowles , another mystery to solve . ???

Title: Re: Missing in 1901
Post by: CaroleW on Friday 03 March 17 15:35 GMT (UK)
Didn't you download his birth from SP to establish his parents names - possibly his father was Knowles?
Title: Re: Missing in 1901
Post by: Unė kthimi i papenduar on Friday 03 March 17 20:28 GMT (UK)
Clarence illegitmate to Margaret Ann Knowles 33, dressmaker, who was in Langbank in 1891.    Was there any other listing in the 1911 census as there was a marriage betwix a male Scott and a Knowles in Englandshire to that date.           
Title: Re: Missing in 1901
Post by: wilcoxon on Saturday 04 March 17 13:16 GMT (UK)
Thanks for this, is Margaret Ann the one with the Beattie family in Erskine, Renfrewshire.
Title: Re: Missing in 1901
Post by: Unė kthimi i papenduar on Saturday 04 March 17 14:25 GMT (UK)
Image not available on this machine I am using (quill pen version) but it sounds ok.    1911 census has her as a Widow with a servant.